Re: [ozmidwifery] Cervidil mailout

Dear all I didn't mean to create even more havoc over the Cervidil mail out. Actually I think it is good that we care enough to talk about these things. I want a viable ACMI and so I'm trying to be pragmatic about the whole issue although I admit I cringe when I read about the Johnson and

Re: [ozmidwifery] Cervidil mailout

Dear all I too was a bit concerned about the list's e-mails over the Cervidil so I thought I'd go straight to el presidento and ask Vanessa herself. As is her wont she responded by phone within two hours and so here's a summary of her response. Despite many requests to do so and the profits in

[ozmidwifery] RE: Hullo bethany

Hullo Bethany Well how about that! Fancy hearing from you! What are you up to these days? I'm working for Newcastle and the John Hunter hospital doing research. Excellent fun and really good to get away from academia for a while. carol -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit

[ozmidwifery] Re: birthing

birth don't work. As we all know epidurals are wonderful for some women but in quite a few cases they have little effect and sometimes they are dangerous. Carol Associate Professor Carol Thorogood School of Nursing and Midwifery Faculty of Health Newcastle University University Drive,

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

That made the point rather well!, C -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

RE: [ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage

d she was in anything we had to say. All she wanted was pm tea. I just don't think it is worth it. I reckon we should keep on with people like Aiden Ridgeway Meg Lees etc (both are really supportive) and, pleasant. Carol Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursin

Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression

a couple of thousand women who are prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of thousand who don't.  It all sounds too hard to me!  Anyway good luck and have fun. Carol Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Ade

Re: [ozmidwifery] inverted uterus

#x27;just happens'. It may occur in repeated births. It's a real pity that >a beautiful birth wasn't quite so beaut at the end. If you need more info >e-mail me privately or come and have a chat. Inverted uteruses are rare >and so you have in all likelihood seen yo

Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC - how soon is safe?

ure (P = 1.00). CONCLUSION: Interdelivery intervals of less than 19 months were associated with a decreased rate of VBAC success in patients who underwent induction, a difference not found in those with spontaneous labor. (12 references) (Author) -- ©2002 MIDIRS -- All rights reserved -- Carol Thoro

Re: [ozmidwifery] Nestle and Australia Women' Weekly

Dear Debbie Who is WHH. I can't remember and i think I should!!! Carol -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

[ozmidwifery] dimensions

ut Dimensions' Midwives I think that if the ABC released it for commercial purposes it might recoup a little bit of its money and then it can invest in more quality programs such as this! My peers would be very happy to 'talk' to the ABC about the sorts of issues we would lik

[ozmidwifery] dimensions

t the sorts of issues we would like to see on our ABC. Carol Thorogood Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001 Telephone: 08 8201 3924 Fax: 08 8201 3410 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Vis

Re: [ozmidwifery] health dimensions

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[ozmidwifery] home birth

irth and for 'safety' reasons. Have fun and please tell us what you are finding Carol Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001 Telephone: 08 8201 3924 Fax: 08 8201 3410 -- This mailing list is sponsored by

Re: terminology and midwifery

> >Thanks Lynne. I hadn't really thought about differences in how we talk to >or probably 'at' women but if you reckon there is a difference - then yes >it does include these things. Carol -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscri

Re: terminology and midwifery

Dear everyone My colleague Yoni Luxford and I are writing a paper about the ways the profession, and midwives 'talk about' midwifery, midwives and midwifery practices and what this means for midwifery and the profession. At the moment we are trying to define and clarify the everyday meaning

Re: VBAC Article

Hi all (Jackie M I am in SA in case you wondered where I'd got to). It's a pity that the authors of the NY Times didn't read the full article! I haven't read all of it. It's a retrospective study so that reduces its usefulness. Secondly it's one thing to plan a properly managed VBAC and quit

Re: re Apgars

Hi I don't know why anyone would bother with 10 minute ROUTINE Apgar scoring. It's a screening test, not a diagnostic test. Admittedly the 5 minute one is a fairly good predictor of whether or not asphyxia occurred in utero but it is not a good predictor of longterm outcomes including cerebral pa

KEMH Inquiry

Dear all The KEMH Inquiry has at last been handed down. It is available for sale (not the bits that have been censored) at the State Government Printers in Perth. It's $250.00 but worth every cent. I've only read bits of the 2000 odd words but it's mind boggling stuff. I think the methodology et

paper again

7; (I just love that phrase) Lynne and Chris Grose telling the world what midwives really do and what it is to have their 'own' midwife. PS Jenny Do you want my 15 minute slot at the conference, I think we follow each other . You can speak for me - we'd probably say much the same

Re:

Hi I hate to spoil the fun but it is not possible to compare the costs of homebirth and hospitals. They are two different models -  it's like comparing the costs of apples and cherries. Perhaps some whiz bang economists such as the ones from access economics could do it.   I don't think w

Re: a good read

Hi Katrina Yes I've read the book. I went to hear her speak and it she and the book's content are so inspiring. She speaks so matter of factly about what she and her husband did ( I had a bit of trouble with the missionary zeal and the paternalism though). Catherine H's work and it puts a new

Re: centralised EFM.

Hi all Yes I am still around, just ever so quiet! Does anyone have any info or know where I can get it or does anyone have experience with centralised EFM in 'delivery' suites? I need to know about the sorts of EFM where there is a console in the office or somewhere to which all the fetal monit

revolutionary stuff

Dear all   I went to Hobart too and unfortunately couldn't get to Byron Bay as well (piggy bank's empty). Several things came to mind at the time. We have some of the ACMI, non-member midwives (and some consumers/activists) all pulling in different directions and until we all move forward t

Re: Senate Inquiry VERY IMPORTANT

Marina I reckon at this short notice it is suffice to say the HMA etc wants money to this this and this or that! I didn't and think I should have. My gut feeling is that waiting for Medicare rebates for midwives will take longer than for Johnny Howard to say sorry. I'm pretty sure that the good S

Re: Senate Inquiry VERY IMPORTANT

Dear all Have just returned from the Senate Select Committee hearing. I represented the WA ACMI. There's no doubt the committee has read the submissions and are thinking about issues. Most of my questions came from Sue Knowles and Rosemary Crowley. I found it difficult at times to separate the me

incontinence

Dear all   I can't resist giving my bit about Sam's comments. During an interview with a prominent WA ob/gyn I was informed that he did 'social' Caesars because so many of his clients were elderly primips who were concerned that they would have post-menopausal stress-incontinence. He felt t

Senate

Hi all   Thanks so much for your info. Joy I feel a bit better about 'my' hearing tomorrow. At least I know where it is all coming from. I do appreciate your willingness to share. We'll be much more efficient this way. I can't get the transcripts off the web site though!  Sally, I steer cle

more thoughts

Dear all Donna, somewhere in the back of my head which at the moment is mainly fairy floss I remember reading a paper by prof Marie Chamberlain in NSW. I think she wrote about a birthing model for Inuit women and I remember thinking YES! That'll work here But the rest escapes me I'm sorry.

Re: indigenous birthing

Dear Donna The NSW ABSP evaluation has a few but not intrapartum. A few of 'my' students are in the process of designing a birthing model of Aboriginal women in remote areas. They are basing it on the Health for All Model. It might be worthwhile for all parties to talk to them! Kalgoorlie hospita

let's get off the round about

Dear all   I'm trying to be quiet but... I know that there is nothing about consumers in the ACMI or ICM  Constitution. Therefore it'll take a bit of pushing and shoving to move it.  NZ did it, stirred up all and sundry, and grossly offended some  but there is nothing wrong with that surely

SA ABSP

Hi all Does anyone have the evaluation or know of anyone who is familiar with the ABSP funded South Australian Dale Street project in Phase One? The contacts I have seem to have faded into the ether. carol

I'm home

Hi I'm back from the NSW Midwives Association conference. And  a very fine time I had too! Lotsa excellent ideas, enthusiastic people and I'm feeling enthused invigorated and ready to swirl the banner a bit more. I think we should all write to John Hunter cause this is the thin edge. Even t

funny I think

    Dear all Try it   http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3072/camera1.html>>Carol 

senate committee

Dear all including Carolyn I've tried to get hold of some copies of the WA Select Committee's Report on Intervention in Childbirth to send to those who wanted them. Unless they are in Storage, there aren't any left but I'll keep you posted.   For the WA peoples:  I spoke to Hilda Turnbull

Fw: senate select committee

> >Hi all >Does anyone know why the Senate Committee has been set up. it may help = >with how we put it all together? Is the ACMI putting one together and = >will members have an opportunity to contribute? > > The WA Legislative Assembly held a Select Committee on Intervention in = >Childbirth (1

senate committee

Hi all Does anyone know why the Senate Committee has been set up. it may help with how we put it all together? Is the ACMI putting one together and will members have an opportunity to contribute?    The WA Legislative Assembly held a Select Committee on Intervention in Childbirth (1996). It'

senate

Dear all   I've got my application forms and information stuff for making a submission. I know I'm a cynic but I just gotta do it. Anyway the list motivates me to keep going. And, my comments that nothing ever changes is the result of a bad thesis (or hair) day - both need cutting. Of course

Re: senate inquiry

Dear Jill Oh ye of little faith One finding in my PhD is that when politicians and the bureaucracy feel pressured, or need to stop the public from worrying about another issue or run out of things to do they call for an inquiry. These are carefully designed to ensure that they take a long ti