RE: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-14 Thread B & G
Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Dear Barb and allSomehow Joy has not understood what I meant.I was talking about new programs and the fact that midwifery must have its own scope of practice.  Yes women must have access to a full range of choice.  No

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-14 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Dear Barb and all Somehow Joy has not understood what I meant. I was talking about new programs and the fact that midwifery must have its own scope of practice.  Yes women must have access to a full range of choice.  No one EVER

RE: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-14 Thread B & G
ginal Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen SempleSent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 4:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long From Joy Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] :   I think we all need to see 

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2003-10-14 Thread Alesa Koziol
that Midwifery models of care will become the norm in this nation Alesa   Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is r

[ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-13 Thread Jen Semple
From Joy Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] :   I think we all need to see Jan's case as an extreme case.  This is bullying, and unfortunately it will always occur.  Even midwives can be bullies.  It’s a human trait to want to dominate and control.  The doctor in this case may have been dreadfully upset ab

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-13 Thread TinaPettigrew
In a message dated 13/10/03 11:02:18 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Tina wholeheartedly! However I ask How do we muster the collective wisdom of those midwives into action in their individual workplaces and motivate them to unite to change? I see time and

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2003-10-13 Thread B & G
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long I agree with you Tina wholeheartedly! However I ask How do we muster the collective wisdom of those midwives into action in their individual workplaces and motivate them to unite to change? I see

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2003-10-13 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long JUstine and all"   Yikes: I thought I sent off the beginning of the last email accidently and it turns out it just disappeared>>> What I was starting to say was I think caseload midwives should develop their own

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long: real beginning

2003-10-13 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Justine and all: This was the actual beginning of the last 2 messages, sorry to be so confusing!!   Justine wrote:  Midwives must have an  scope of practice in their own right (and this is what the Dutch do). I think as midwives

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-13 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long So sorry, hit the wrong key and sent it off without salutation.  So, if you wont transfer for meconium, you simply don't write it as a reason you would do so.  Of course you need to be able to defend your position shoul

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2003-10-13 Thread bill,louise & boys
fixed obstacles preventing such organized action. Late night reflections. Cheers Louise - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there

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2003-10-13 Thread TinaPettigrew
In a message dated 13/10/03 1:55:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I totally agree.  Collaboration is the way forward but medical control of midwifery is not collaboration, collaboration is a 2 way street not something dictated by Obstetrics.  Midwives must have an  scope

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-13 Thread jireland
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Justine u wrote As for independent homebirth practitioners, we legally don’t have them (this is the choice women are most unable to access) there is no respect for the professionalism of midwifery outside the system (by

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-12 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Hi Julie and all I totally agree.  Collaboration is the way forward but medical control of midwifery is not collaboration, collaboration is a 2 way street not something dictated by Obstetrics.  Midwives must have an  scope of

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2003-10-12 Thread Julie Clarke
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Dear Justine We all know there are better models of care for example in Holland but to transplant that model here, rapidly would be about as difficult / impossible as trying to change our culture to the extent of making

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2003-10-11 Thread Wayne and Caroline McCullough
Title: Message OMG. That is disgusting. I agree with Justine. Free standing birth centres are a must. They may have cont. of care in NZ but they still have high intervention rates. In the Netherlands however, they have birthing hotels for women who don't want to birth at their home and their

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2003-10-11 Thread M & T Holroyd
Subject: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG   1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC  CTG PERFECT 2hrs later and she is in good labour standing with mo

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-11 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long No Jan not just one to one midwifery, but stand alone midwifery where midwives and women decide what is best and when they need medical assistance.  To me Birth Centres continue to set women up while ever they are under medical

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2003-10-11 Thread altrewern
: Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG   1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC  CTG PERFECT 2hrs later

[ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

2003-10-11 Thread jireland
THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG   1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC  CTG PERFECT 2hrs later and she is in good labour standing with monitor on working happily adjusted well with transfer and then the