Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-12 Thread Leeyoung
: Jan Medved (jmedved) [mailto:jmed...@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:58 AM To: Leeyoung Cc: Edward Crabbe; Fatai Zhang; pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE Hi Young, On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:05 AM

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-12 Thread Jan Medved (jmedved)
ou still use this kind of tone, sorry, I will ignore your response. Best Regards Fatai 发件人: Edward Crabbe [mailto:e...@google.com<mailto:e...@google.com>] 发送时间: 2012年11月12日 11:59 收件人: Fatai Zhang 抄送: Jan Medved (jmedved); pce@ietf.org<mailto:pce@ietf.org> 主题: Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Edward Crabbe
> > > In addition, I would like to remind that **set** != **delegation**, maybe > we stray a little from the point, J > Please clearly explain your perception of the difference. > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Best Regards > > ** ** > > Fatai > > ** ** > > *发件人:* Jan Medved (jme

[Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Fatai Zhang
Hi Jan, [RFC5440] says: If the requested bandwidth is equal to 0, the BANDWIDTH object is optional. Conversely, if the requested bandwidth is not equal to 0, the PCReq message MUST contain a BANDWIDTH object. I don’t think this means that PCE can set the bandwdith. All the paratermetes (eith

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Edward Crabbe
We currently appear to be involved in some sort of pre-fiat working group process debate. Unfortunately, I think you're injecting a particularly onerous and unnecessary sort of wg bureaucracy here, and for no discernible reason. At this point, given the lack of any substantive technical argument,

[Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Fatai Zhang
Hi Jan, You said: =>By requesting a path computation from a PCE, the PCC gives the PCE authority to determine the ERO, LSP Bandwidth, protection, LSP setup and hold priorities, etc. The PCE is the entity that determines these parameters - would you agree? [Fatai] Sorry, I don’t agree. The parame

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-09 Thread Robert Varga
On 11/09/2012 09:20 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: Hi Jan, Hi Fatai, >The PCE is not limited to path computation only. The PCE can set other LSP parameters as well: RFC5440 defines objects for bandwidth, setup & hold priorities, the local protection flag, etc. More LSP parameters have been added

[Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-09 Thread Fatai Zhang
Hi Jan, >The PCE is not limited to path computation only. The PCE can set other LSP >parameters as well: RFC5440 defines objects for bandwidth, setup & hold >priorities, the local protection flag, etc. More LSP parameters have been >added in subsequent RFCs and drafts. [Fatai] I have to in

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-08 Thread Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Edward Crabbe Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:57 AM To: Fatai Zhang Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce]答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE AFAIK: (a): we are getting guidance from the chairs on an

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Crabbe
AFAIK: (a): we are getting guidance from the chairs on an ongoing basis and (b): the solution and framework are coupled and are reasonably well defined currently, modulo the (largely aesthetic) considerations raised On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Oscar, Ed and all,***

[Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-07 Thread Fatai Zhang
Hi Oscar, Ed and all, I totally agree with Oscar. I think we should follow the regular procedures of PCE WG (IETF as well) to define the foundation work first including FWK, requirement, applicability before dropping into the solution stuff. Guidance from WG chairs on this stateful PCE work mu