Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 12:44 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Using [t a b b] vs. [trigger anything bang bang] encourages people to cram lots of stuff into a patch, and to cross cords, when they should be laying things out cleanly and

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Chris McCormick wrote: (Since when is [t a a a] an alias of a function anyway? It's two different types of alias - an objectclass and a type. I provided examples of both in my other post). the first element of an objectbox is not a class name, it's a constructor name,

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-26 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the Array and Hash classes. Ruby

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the Array and

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-25 Thread Chris McCormick
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the Array and Hash classes. Ruby has 'alias' as a reserved word.

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-25 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the Array and Hash classes. Ruby has 'alias' as a

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:18 PM, patrick wrote: hi hans, What's wrong with adding [declare]/[import] to the patch? Or [tof/blahblah]? if we code tof/blahblah in our abstractions, then people who compile tof from scratch and make install it in extra folder = Can't create. If that person

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-25 Thread Chris McCormick
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 05:09:35PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the Array and Hash classes. Ruby has 'alias' as a reserved word. I mean aliases

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-24 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think they were only added to Max/Pd as typing shortcuts,

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-24 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What other programming language has aliases? Ruby accepts both 'indices' and 'indexes' as selectors in the Array and Hash classes. Ruby has 'alias' as a reserved word. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... |

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-24 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Frank Barknecht wrote: It's not that uncommon if you think of operator overloading in C++ and many other languages Operator overloading is nothing special, really. It's just plain polymorphism, either compile-time or run-time. What makes it seem special is the syntax.

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-24 Thread patrick
hi hans, What's wrong with adding [declare]/[import] to the patch? Or [tof/blahblah]? if we code tof/blahblah in our abstractions, then people who compile tof from scratch and make install it in extra folder = Can't create. right now there's +-40 externals loaded in pd-extended. i understand

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think iemmatrix needs some work, since it has a number of aliases, and aliases currently aren't supported. I am a little hesitant to what is the problem with aliases? somebody (georg) has created an alias folder some time ago for iemmatrix. i have even

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-23 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 16:37 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: i think [declare]/[import] is definitely the way to go, and no libraries should be loaded by default. very much agreed, since this is the only way to create portable (between pd distros) patches without pref-editing hassle.

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Georg Holzmann wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think iemmatrix needs some work, since it has a number of aliases, and aliases currently aren't supported. I am a little hesitant to what is the problem with aliases?

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think iemmatrix needs some work, since it has a number of aliases, and aliases currently aren't supported. I am a little hesitant to add everything single library under the sound to load by default since if those libraries change or are removed, names might instantiate different

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Could you elaborate a bit how this works, especially in regard to possible nameclashes e.g. in pd-extended? Those currently are worked around by having the libraries in different subdirectories? Example: Both maxlib and zexy have incompatible versions of [urn], so if

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-16 Thread Russell Bryant
Frank Barknecht wrote: And how to discern between one-object-per-file object files and many-objects-per-file library files? AFAIK, there is no way to do so algorithmically. I was just thinking I would stick my many-objects-per-file libraries in their own directory and use autoload to load

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 16, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: And how to discern between one-object-per-file object files and many-objects-per-file library files? AFAIK, there is no way to do so algorithmically. I was just thinking I would stick my many-objects-per-file

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-16 Thread Russell Bryant
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: With Pd-extended, the goal is to use the libdir format for everything, then making sure that the libdir format is well supported. The first part is almost done, there are only a handful of exceptions (Gem, PDP, PiDiP...), the second part is a work in progress.

[PD-dev] pd-extended loadlib request

2008-01-15 Thread patrick
hi hans, would it be possible to add tof to default.pdsettings in the auto-build (for mac os x too). pat ___ PD-dev mailing list PD-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev