Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-02-01 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: After PdConv07 I just took a break and after that I wasn't able to put myself back on the track. I guess I know that feeling from my unfinished physics studies. ;) But now I understand more

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Andy Farnell wrote: I remember you explaining this before Mathieu, and it was with great dismay that I realised DesireData was not to be an alternative to pd-gui, but a complete rewrite of the whole show. Well it was way too late to realise that,

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: well i guess this is the main problem with how Pd does it right now. which was not meant to be defeatist. i have no objection (so far :-)) basically on _what_ is communicated between Pd nd Pd-gui. e.g. i don't have any real problems with the server handling

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think there is a ton of potential to the ideas in desiredata and things like the new editing tricks in pd-vanilla 0.42. But they also have the large potential to cause harm to peoples' workflow. I hope that

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think there is a ton of potential to the ideas in desiredata and things like the new editing tricks in pd-vanilla 0.42. But they also have the large potential to cause harm to peoples' workflow. In desiredata, the workflow is almost

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: I agree a lot here. I think, the automagic in 0.42 is the first time, that something like that reached a wider audience. Desire Data was more something cool to look at, but I doubt that many people managed to actually install and use it a lot.

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Andy Farnell
I remember you explaining this before Mathieu, and it was with great dismay that I realised DesireData was not to be an alternative to pd-gui, but a complete rewrite of the whole show. It seems there is a necessary intermediate step by which Pd is properly separated into two truly independent

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: I agree a lot here. I think, the automagic in 0.42 is the first time, that something like that reached a wider audience. Desire Data was more something cool to look at, but I doubt

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Jack
Le 28 janv. 09 à 23:51, Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: I agree a lot here. I think, the automagic in 0.42 is the first time, that something like that reached a wider audience. Desire

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Andy Farnell wrote: I remember you explaining this before Mathieu, and it was with great dismay that I realised DesireData was not to be an alternative to pd-gui, but a complete rewrite of the whole show. Well it was way too late to realise that, I rewrote much of the C

[PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, what follows is a rant against the new automagic patching in 0.42 that I tried for some time now with the result that I'm looking for a way to switch it off completely as it makes Pd unusable for me as long as it is enforced for every operation. But first some quick remarks about the latest

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hi, i agree wholeheartedly fgamsdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread brandt
monosemous markus Frank Barknecht wrote: Hi, i agree wholeheartedly fgamsdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:01:24 +0100 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: I quite often create objects bottom-to-top. This is the natural way to do it if you are working from an equation or functional representation, someting of the general form f(t) = x + y * z leads to an natural object

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread hard off
i haven't tried this new version of pd yet, but i know that if i did, i would agree with the comments above. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: i haven't tried this new version of pd yet, but i know that if i did, i would agree with the comments above. Try it! It contains lots of useful new stuff like pow~ and bugfixes and I'm sure the automagic will evolve into a useful feature with a

Re: [PD] Why I don't like the new automagic

2009-01-27 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
i think i already said these 'enhancements' were just a bad idea from the start ( see the status of desire data ) xiaooo, sevy IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: Hi, i agree wholeheartedly fgamsdr IOhannes