Le 2012-01-11 à 13:09:00, Max a écrit :
And that's not the end of the vicious cycle. Students who saved their
money to buy a Max license are often unwilling to accept that their work
could have been done as easy in Pd, and sometimes even better and/or
easier. Often they use and stick to Max si
Le 2012-01-13 à 20:12:00, martin.pe...@sympatico.ca a écrit :
In the attached patcher clicking on [1( calculates pi, which gets
printed to a number box and the screen in 5 digit precision as 3.14159,
but the subsequent [sin] object gives a value much closer to zero than
when you click on [3.14
Here's a more complete example of the precision thing.
Martin
#N canvas 364 685 450 300 10;
#X msg 32 18 1;
#X obj 32 44 atan;
#X obj 32 68 * 4;
#X floatatom 92 85 15 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 111 164 sin;
#X floatatom 160 181 15 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 111 214 pr
I think Pd uses %g which probably means %.6g by default, but it looks more like
%.5g.
You're right, the precision is only lost when the patcher is written out
somewhere.
In the attached patcher clicking on [1( calculates pi, which gets printed to a
number box and the screen in 5 digit precis
Le 2012-01-13 à 09:06:00, Martin Peach a écrit :
But whatever the theoretical precision of a float, I think the thing that
makes Pd floats less precise than Max floats lies in the use of the %g format
specifier to print them out, which can result in a lower precision than the
float is capable
Le 2012-01-13 à 11:14:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
From: Mathieu Bouchard
For [tabread~], yes, because they're below 16777216.
With Katja'sdouble-precision Pd does this problem go away?
If it does what I think it does, Katja's build reduces the problem by a
factor of 536870912.
You can s
- Original Message -
> From: Mathieu Bouchard
> To: João Pais
> Cc: Max ; Jonathan Wilkes ; pd
> list ; Ben Baker-Smith
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> Le 2012-01-13 à 16:10:00, João Pais a écrit :
ot;pd list" , "Ben Baker-Smith"
> Envoyé: Vendredi 13 Janvier 2012 19:35:28
> Objet: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> Le 2012-01-13 à 16:10:00, João Pais a écrit :
>
> > I already have an abstraction in pd to automatically set the offset
> > to
> > play
Le 2012-01-13 à 16:10:00, João Pais a écrit :
I already have an abstraction in pd to automatically set the offset to
play segments with tabread4~. But if I need e.g. to play indices
1 to 10111, which are read from an array, and then rescaled
in the meantime, how is it possible to k
João Pais wrote:
see how high you go with [expr pow(2,$f1)] until you loose
resolution - 20 in pd, but 30 in max5 (the coming up of Pd double
precision will help this, but it's a work Katja is doing alone).
High moral feeling (i.e. the "we're better because we're free" logo)
isn't enough for
and you're only talking about the aesthetical/workflow features. to
bring up
a subject that I am paying attention only now, try out to see how high
you go
with [expr pow(2,$f1)] until you loose resolution - 20 in pd, but 30 in
max5
(the coming up of Pd double precision will help this, but it'
Hi,
João Pais wrote:
> see how high you go with [expr pow(2,$f1)] until you loose
> resolution - 20 in pd, but 30 in max5 (the coming up of Pd double
> precision will help this, but it's a work Katja is doing alone).
> High moral feeling (i.e. the "we're better because we're free" logo)
> isn't
But whatever the theoretical precision of a float, I think the thing
that makes Pd floats less precise than Max floats lies in the use of the
%g format specifier to print them out, which can result in a lower
precision than the float is capable of. This makes it possible to use
maximum precisio
Le 2012-01-13 à 08:05:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
Neither binary nor decimal representation is more precise than the other,
it's just that their precision never matches exactly. 20 bits is slightly
less than 6 decimals, whereas 16 decimals is slightly more than 53 bits. Thus
you can only pr
Le 2012-01-13 à 10:46:00, João Pais a écrit :
and you're only talking about the aesthetical/workflow features. to bring up
a subject that I am paying attention only now, try out to see how high you go
with [expr pow(2,$f1)] until you loose resolution - 20 in pd, but 30 in max5
(the coming up o
And that's not the end of the vicious cycle.
Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling
to
accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and
sometimes even
better and/or easier.
If you think of free
software as an ethical issue like I do and are tal
- Original Message -
> From: Max
> To: Jonathan Wilkes
> Cc: Richie Cyngler ; pd list ; Ben
> Baker-Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> And that's not the end of the vicious cycle.
> Students wh
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the "student discount" version of
Max expire (ie, stop working) after one year? So even though it might
seem like a great deal, it really isn't that great. I'm not
religiously opposed to commercial software, but I try to avoid it as
much as possible. As for the
tive effects there
> usually manifest themselves
> more quickly and concretely).
>
> -Jonathan
>
> From: Richie Cyngler
> To: Jonathan Wilkes
> Cc: Ben Baker-Smith ; pd list
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
>
> From: "Pagano, Patrick"
>To: Jonathan Wilkes ; Richie Cyngler
>Cc: pd list ; Ben Baker-Smith
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:33 PM
>Subject: RE: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
>
>
>I would not try to crack Max/Msp,
ngler
> *To:* Jonathan Wilkes
> *Cc:* Ben Baker-Smith ; pd list
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only
> those artists able to afford such things as e
, January 10, 2012 6:24 PM
To: Richie Cyngler
Cc: pd list; Ben Baker-Smith
Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
No, there really are music students out there looking at what they need in
order to be successful, and
when most of the voices around them are aggressively (and often ignorantly
; pd list
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
>
>Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only those
>artists able to afford such things as expensive software, travel and food.
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at
> had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the
> first
> place).
>
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: Ben Baker-Smith
> > To: pd list
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM
> &
"> To avoid technical issues we choose the plattforms we already use in
our work or we are very familiar with.
> This is the only reason.
> If the selected composer can assure us to be available for the concert
the can be used any piece of software/hardware.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Many than
be able to afford to travel to the concert (because
he/she
had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the first
place).
-Jonathan
- Original Message -
> From: Ben Baker-Smith
> To: pd list
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM
> Subj
Hi list!
I got a more clear response from the organizers on this issue than
anything I've seen in this thread so far - here it is:
> Hi Ben,
>
> thanks for your Interest in our Call.
>
> We accepts only patches made with Kyma or Max/MSP due the fact we are not
> able to provide
> financial suppo
The opus could be written with a place for creativity, it depends on the
musician.
I agree, the artist keeps the control, theoritically.
What's happening when many artist (a grand majority in fact) cease
acting this artistic 'nature '?
Must the bulkys (the neo-archaic), to shout to the world th
> De: "TAD BISAHA"
> Cc: "PD List"
> Envoyé: Lundi 9 Janvier 2012 13:24:22
> About production and creation,
> when a musician for exemple play a second time, just a second time,
> one
> of his own opus,
> can one still name the result a creation?
The opus could be written with a place for creat
Thanks for your mature answer dad
which shines however less than the moon this evening.
Did you see it?
Probably not, too archaic for you.
A point only,
you lend me too much power.
Do not forget, I am nothing for you.
Do not be afraid, breathe.
I'm nothing, just a pair of mislaid ear in the stone
In fact, there's no "off", no "underground", no "revolution", no
"counter-revolution", no "anti...".
but there's a place for the "off", it's the place for the "pushed and
oppressed" guys, they chose this place. But Offland is a part of the
Inland (we mustn't forget that...).
what is this co
A cat?
You don't like the cats?
however, at all times cats make what they want,
as Steve Jobs...
obviously he liked what he made, no?
By staying only in the field of the independent persons like developer
or artist.
Every day, a lot of people like what they do, I hope so.
I'm perhaps wrong, but
On 06/01/12 23:11, Charles Henry wrote:
2012/1/6 Jonathan Wilkes:
- Original Message -
From: alex
To: András Murányi
Cc: Pd - list
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of P
On 01/06/2012 02:11 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Patrice Colet wrote:
>
>> De: "alex"
>> Envoyé: Mercredi 4 Janvier 2012 01:12:14
>>
>> Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
>>
>> "We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider
>> for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change
>> our poli
2012/1/6 Jonathan Wilkes :
> - Original Message -
>
>> From: alex
>> To: András Murányi
>> Cc: Pd - list
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>>
>> Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
>>
> De: "alex"
> Envoyé: Mercredi 4 Janvier 2012 01:12:14
>
> Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
>
> "We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider
> for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change
> our policy.
> So please, if you are interested in the call, please se
- Original Message -
> From: alex
> To: András Murányi
> Cc: Pd - list
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
>
> "We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider
>
Le 2012-01-06 à 20:39:00, hans w. koch a écrit :
thats why i included the footer with the original reference...still takes some
reading, though.
i thought that was an acceptable balance between proper sourcing and my
laziness :-)
hans
I just meant to encourage you, to post the same things o
thats why i included the footer with the original reference...still takes some
reading, though.
i thought that was an acceptable balance between proper sourcing and my
laziness :-)
hans
www.hans-w-koch.net
Am 06.01.2012 um 19:24 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
> Le 2012-01-06 à 11:08:00, hans w.
Le 2012-01-06 à 11:08:00, hans w. koch a écrit :
the funniest thing imho is, that their call talks about the "ecosystem
paradigm" and quotes as its main proponent agostino di scipio who
himself once said: "I also work with PD. [...] works of mine have been
performed by colleagues who work with
the funniest thing imho is, that their call talks about the "ecosystem
paradigm" and quotes as its main proponent agostino di scipio who himself once
said:
"I also work with PD. [...] works of mine have been performed by colleagues who
work with software I tend to avoid (like Max/MSP)."
(i found
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the
this is extremely sad.
Given that your post was kind enough :)
M
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:51 PM, yvan volochine wrote:
> On 01/04/2012 12:01 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
>> Well, that's weird enough.
>>
>> I actually know those guys through different channels.
>> This is not the first call
ola,
yeah sure..better with a beer :) for example tomorrow noon from 18.00
at hangar... useroselektor + live los ganglios (digi-punk)
yeh allright, will check it although digi punk went to that too :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBVkjr4kRU
hum it was better in 1995 i guess :
http://www
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd
these past years sooo great
On 01/04/2012 07:22 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-01-04 à 17:51:00, yvan volochine a écrit :
a couple of days ago I added a comment on USO blogpost [1] complaining
about this decision (and I tried not to be too angry). as an answer
they just disabled comments on this post...
May you pos
2012/1/4 ydego...@gmail.com :
> xa!
>
> happy new year,
> you know revolution is behind,
> behind what ? una esquina maybe
ou yeah shuvy...its around the corner :P
> what revolution with open source
> when people wants the same productivity hey?
> productivity? that's what we should hate...
Le 2012-01-04 à 17:51:00, yvan volochine a écrit :
a couple of days ago I added a comment on USO blogpost [1] complaining
about this decision (and I tried not to be too angry). as an answer they
just disabled comments on this post...
May you post a copy of your post here ?
_
On 01/04/2012 12:01 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Well, that's weird enough.
I actually know those guys through different channels.
This is not the first call they send, and, although they work in Max, I
think this is the first time I notice such a counterproductive requirement.
The weirdest issu
Le 2012-01-03 à 21:47:00, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
Here is btw another call about a Pd workshop BEK held back in 2005.
http://www.bek.no/projects/35-visiblesoundaudibleimage?locale=en but
that was 7 years ago...
So, why don't you give more recent examples, to show some kind of
continuity ?
Le 2012-01-04 à 12:01:00, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
The weirdest issue imho is why BEK published this call on their blog.
Probably they just aggregate calls and news without reviewing the
material.
Note also that BEK doesn't mention any free software when they present
their services. In par
yes, it makes sense in English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCcMxb72TeY
On 1/4/12, Olivier B wrote:
> Oh oh oh...
>
> I just can't imagine there is an other motivation than their call to be
> buzzed... (sorry if it doesn't mean anything in english)
> I'm naive, for sure... but it's a survival
Oh oh oh...
I just can't imagine there is an other motivation than their call to be
buzzed... (sorry if it doesn't mean anything in english)
I'm naive, for sure... but it's a survival question... :-p
01ivier
2012/1/4 Marco Donnarumma
> Well, that's weird enough.
>
> I actually know those guys
Well, that's weird enough.
I actually know those guys through different channels.
This is not the first call they send, and, although they work in Max, I
think this is the first time I notice such a counterproductive requirement.
The weirdest issue imho is why BEK published this call on their blo
xa!
happy new year,
you know revolution is behind,
behind what ? una esquina maybe
what revolution with open source
when people wants the same productivity hey?
productivity? that's what we should hate...
we'll talk of it again over a beer, compa .. i meant it.
shuvy
xä wrote:
in my opi
just laughing of when j. defended bek ...
oh how we laughed at awkwardness and inability...
those who followed the thread will get it
and happy new gear, you technomological people,
me i don't give a shit
sevy
alex wrote:
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider
for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy.
So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more
pertinent question."
So apparently there are reasons but they
I thought it would be easiest to ask the guys behind the submission address
(submissi...@synesthesiarecordings.com).
Not that i got a real answer.
If you have an idea how to follow up, I'm interested.
Andras
-- Forwarded message --
From: Federico Placidi
Date: 2012/1/3
Subject: R
Hey Björn,
you right on that one! mea culpa :-)
cheers
Julien
call made on their blog from Milan/Rome for something happening in
Italy. http://usoproject.blogspot.com/ .
All the best,
Björn Eriksson
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM, APO33 wrote:
woow I can't believe this!!
it is a cl
Sounds like someone got a new kyma system...
-Original Message-
From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Björn
Eriksson
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 4:46 PM
To: Pd - list
Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
Had to visit the link to see what it was all
Had to visit the link to see what it was all about... it´s easy to
just have some fast opinion on things... and the first impression I
had was that this was something BEK (in Norway) arranges, but it´s a
call made on their blog from Milan/Rome for something happening in
Italy. http://usoproject.bl
woow I can't believe this!!
it is a clear message against piksel (used to be part of BEK) & free
software, specifically against some of the most creative ones!!!
totally absurd, call for boycott!! or use pd~ object in max as miller said :-D
cheers
julien
in my opinion conciously or unconc
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> Ugly.
>
> I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
>
> Miller
>
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +, servando barreiro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just r
- Original Message -
> From: Miller Puckette
> To: servando barreiro
> Cc: "pd-list@iem.at"
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
> Ugly.
>
> I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Ha! I forg
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most
counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut
x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckette :
> Ugly.
>
> I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
>
> Miller
>
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +, servando barreiro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +, servando barreiro wrote:
>
>
>
> I just readed this :
>
> "The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or
> Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure D
t;Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 1:29 PM
>Subject: [PD] no pd?? WTF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I just readed this :
>
>
>"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or
>Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or Supe
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or
Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here:
http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S_
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