On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Damian Stewart wrote:
maybe when i can be bothered pissing around with it again. last time it
swallowed two full days of my life that i'm never going to get back.
That's a rather crude way to do the accounting of your time. How can you
be so sure that you didn't do or und
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Damian, which CPU does your machine have?
it's a p4-m (NOT a pentium-M)
i haven't used the patch in question in ages and to be fair haven't really
noticed too many other issues.. except for the one time i tried to
live-code a patch with a *lot* of VU objects, w
Yves Degoyon wrote:
well, i must say the first agressive message was not mine,
but like, 'pd is shit - i will buy a serious software'
dude, i never said 'pd is shit'. i think pd is awesome, i just don't think
it's for me.
i just said ok for this,
but i didn't know you really tried on linux
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> I thought this was largely fixed in Pd, is there code that still have
> that problem?
>
even if it is fixed in Pd itself, a lot of external objects could be the
cause of troubles with denormals. (e.g. i know that iemlib uses code to
avoid denormal problems in re
On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:07 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
2) my entire rig tends to triple its cpu usage for no apparent
reason
after a quasi-random length of time, which seems to be a vaguely
repeatable error, which I would like to compile from source to
figur
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patco wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patco wrote:
I've tried some stand alones made with the payware version, they are not
very efficient.
Hmm, what's the payware version?
I've confused the issue with replacing "MAXmsp" by "payware".
For almost
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, David Powers wrote:
Unfortunately, MaxMSP does not run that well on Windows. I think I
just recounted how PD+Gem runs a webcam on PC,
I'd rather have the name "PC" not being used as a synonymous for
"Windows", because some use "PC" computers with something else than
Wind
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> 2) my entire rig tends to triple its cpu usage for no apparent reason
>> after a quasi-random length of time, which seems to be a vaguely
>> repeatable error, which I would like to compile from source to figure out
>
> These ones are always the hardest to find, but
Well, hopefully you can ignore the flamebait and we can have a
fruitful discussion here. Let's get you compiling, if you follow the
MinGW HOWTO, then post whenever you have a problem, I think we can
get you compiling without too much difficulty. What is the last
place that didn't work?
day 5 wrote:
alright,
I have to say, for the most part I agree with Yves.
well, look, damian,
why do you us to fix us all bugs for tomorrow morning?
( especially on windows )
buy max/msp please
and be real
sevy
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Hi,
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Even better than improving on the crappy makefile.mingw that has been
hacked together by Miller, Carmen, me and probably others, I suggest
you help me get Pd compiling on MinGW using the same ./configure &&
make interface as the other platforms.
Oh no,
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
FYI: the Windows builds include GriPD, which allows you to build GUIs
in GTK.
Euh, hum, have you tried it?
My CPU really doesn't like GriPD (amd64), so am I.
PC.
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On Nov 10, 2006, at 4:54 AM, Patco wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
That howto is tailored to building Pd 0.39.2, hence the broken
file names for newer versions. You can also just download a
nightly build:
http://autobuild.puredata.info.
.hc
Hi,
The features list is long!
I ha
On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:37 AM, Patco wrote:
Damian Stewart a écrit :
because (correct me if I'm wrong) no-one else seems willing to.
because the feeling i get from the community here is that even if
i do write an incredibly detailed and amazing bug report /no-one
is going to care because
Unfortunately, MaxMSP does not run that well on Windows. I think I
just recounted how PD+Gem runs a webcam on PC, that won't run with
Max, for example. So without Pure Data, one is really stuck with
programs like Reaktor and Synthedit on PC. (I highly recommend
Synthedit, btw, one can develop a ba
alright,
I have to say, for the most part I agree with Yves.
If a user 'needs software right now for his/her gig tomorrow night' it
might actually be better to spend money on something like MaxMSP rather
than chasing down countless bugs on such a horrible build system like
MinGW on a propriet
Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patco wrote:
I've tried some stand alones made with the payware version, they are
not very efficient.
Hmm, what's the payware version?
I've confused the issue with replacing "MAXmsp" by "payware".
So, I've tried some win32 standalone MAX patches
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Roman Haefeli wrote:
whoooaaa that would be a reason for me to switch back to windows
when doing pd. or would there be a way in linux to have a fast gui as
well? (not that i plan to implement it :-) )
I think that a portable solution would be to use Tcl/Gtk instead of
On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 23:33 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote:
> i was wanting to experiment with using directx rather than tcl/tk
> for rendering graphics to get some real high-performance stuff going on,
whoooaaa that would be a reason for me to switch back to windows
when doing pd. or would the
On 11/10/06, Damian Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
midi on windows is my main sticking point. if people care about the the
windows version, why is midi on windows /still/ 'dangerous'? surely midi
control is fundamental to serious performance-based usage of a program like pd?
Is MIDI "reall
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patco wrote:
Damian Stewart a écrit :
4) tooltips on inlets, which i could and would add myself, if i could
compile from source
Some features you are requiring are available on a version called Desire Data
(inlet/outlet tooltips).
No, DesireData doesn't support the inlet/
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patco wrote:
I've tried to build pd with using tcl/tk-8.5 sources with no satisfaying
results, pd.exe is still linked to wish84.exe, Did anyone successfully
built pd with this TCL/TK version?
When configuring the build of pd, make sure that it detects the right
tcl/tk ve
well, i must say the first agressive message was not mine,
but like, 'pd is shit - i will buy a serious software'
i just said ok for this,
but i didn't know you really tried on linux,
so it's a pity your usb card doesn't work,
could you give more details?
maybe someone here knows how to fix it.
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Damian Stewart wrote:
Yves Degoyon wrote:
hey,
before spitting on pd, could you consider changing the root of your system?
( and a few brain cells too ? )
well, here's one reason why i'm giving up.
Even though many of us don't want to use ms-windows, and many of us would
Damian Stewart wrote:
most consumer-level control surfaces (novation, are midi devices. to
the best of my knowledge there are very few control surfaces that use
osc, for the main reason that osc is several orders of magnitude more
difficult to implement on a microcontroller chip of the kind u
Damian Stewart a écrit :
most consumer-level control surfaces (novation, are midi devices. to
the best of my knowledge there are very few control surfaces that use
osc, for the main reason that osc is several orders of magnitude more
difficult to implement on a microcontroller chip of the kin
Patco wrote:
midi on windows is my main sticking point. if people care about the
the windows version, why is midi on windows /still/ 'dangerous'?
surely midi control is fundamental to serious performance-based usage
of a program like pd?
I don't, I have not experienced crashes caused by MIDI
Damian Stewart a écrit :
because (correct me if I'm wrong) no-one else seems willing to.
because the feeling i get from the community here is that even if i do
write an incredibly detailed and amazing bug report /no-one is going
to care because it's the windows version/.
Have you got an ex
Patco wrote:
Why do you want to fix all errors by yourself?
i don't, i just would like the ability to fix the errors which i can feel
are going to be easy to fix right /now/ so that i can continue working on
the patch for my live gig which is tomorrow night. for example.
--
Damian Stewart
Patco wrote:
Hello, have you tried to run pd through a debugger for targeting errors?
(and also help yourself and pd communauty to fix).
if i'm going to go to the trouble of doing that i'd like to be able to edit
the source so i can recompile and figure out what's going on myself. from a
dev
Damian Stewart a écrit :
sven wrote:
@damian (2): what's wrong with the pd-win32 binaries available?
1) midi crashes, which I could figure out and fix for myself, if I
could compile from source
2) my entire rig tends to triple its cpu usage for no apparent reason
after a quasi-random length
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
That howto is tailored to building Pd 0.39.2, hence the broken file
names for newer versions. You can also just download a nightly build:
http://autobuild.puredata.info.
.hc
Hi,
The features list is long!
I haven't tried to compile a nightly build yet, but
Yves Degoyon wrote:
hey sven,
i was just interested in the concept
of 'changing brain cells'
and for f*ck's suck, why assume that just because i don't subscribe to your
particular political-economic views on software there's something wrong
with my brain cells?
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+64 27 30
Yves Degoyon wrote:
and, yeh, why making pd run on windows?
why have a windows version of something that doesn't run on windows?
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f r e y
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http://www.frey.co.nz
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Yves Degoyon wrote:
and, yeh, why making pd run on windows?
because linux doesn't like either of my external sound devices on my laptop
(despite my buying one of them specifically because of its apparently good
linux success rate), and certainly doesn't begin to run with the kind of
latenci
sven wrote:
@damian (2): what's wrong with the pd-win32 binaries available?
1) midi crashes, which I could figure out and fix for myself, if I could
compile from source
2) my entire rig tends to triple its cpu usage for no apparent reason after
a quasi-random length of time, which seems to b
sven a écrit :
max/msp is really worth the money especially if you need a gui
Learning how to make a GUI is really worth if we need a GUI.
May I ask:
how does MaxMSP gives any hint about making a pretty fast GUI?
@damian (2): what's wrong with the pd-win32 binaries available?
We've got many
Yves Degoyon wrote:
hey,
before spitting on pd, could you consider changing the root of your system?
( and a few brain cells too ? )
saludos,
sevy
well, here's one reason why i'm giving up.
--
Damian Stewart
+64 27 305 4107
f r e y
live music with machines
http://www.frey.co.nz
http://www
On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Patco wrote:
Damian Stewart a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Before I completely give up on pd and buy a copy of Max/MSP, I'm
going to give compiling pd, so I can fix the things that bug me,
one more try.
Can someone who has done so very recently (as in within the last
anyway, unhappy pd user,
we don't know exactly what you want
buy some licenses if you want and feed the pigs
( those who commercialized miller's ideas )
ciao,
sevy
Yves Degoyon wrote:
hey sven,
i was just interested in the concept
of 'changing brain cells'
and, yeh, why maki
hey sven,
i was just interested in the concept
of 'changing brain cells'
and, yeh, why making pd run on windows?
free software on your out-of-the-shop machine,
isn't that a contradiction?
but see you one day, mate,
sevy
sven wrote:
hey,
before spitting on pd, could you consider
>hey,
>
>before spitting on pd, could you consider changing the root of your system?
>
>( and a few brain cells too ? )
i already knew that ydegoyon would have to mumble something insightful
and enlightening after damian's brazen affront.
ahhh - what a miserable world that would be without our be
Damian Stewart wrote:
Hi everyone,
Before I completely give up on pd and buy a copy of Max/MSP, I'm going
to give compiling pd, so I can fix the things that bug me, one more try.
Can someone who has done so very recently (as in within the last two
months) point me to an up-to-date tutorial
Damian Stewart a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Before I completely give up on pd and buy a copy of Max/MSP, I'm going
to give compiling pd, so I can fix the things that bug me, one more try.
Can someone who has done so very recently (as in within the last two
months) point me to an up-to-date tutoria
Hi everyone,
Before I completely give up on pd and buy a copy of Max/MSP, I'm going to
give compiling pd, so I can fix the things that bug me, one more try.
Can someone who has done so very recently (as in within the last two
months) point me to an up-to-date tutorial on compiling under Windo
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