Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-19 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 20:15 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > On 06/13/2016 11:25 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: > > > > I believe yet all have agreed to ~/.local/lib/pd/extra as the > > default > > install path (and most recent Deken uses it). > more important: (upcoming) Pd-0.47-1 uses it > > > > >

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-17 Thread Max
on reddit are some interesting helpless deken experiences too: https://www.reddit.com/r/puredata/comments/4hdtcg/making_pd_pure_like_pdextended/ On 2016년 06월 08일 19:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I'm just trying deken for the first time, awesome piece of work! I'd > like to find a litt

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-16 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 06/13/2016 11:25 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: > I believe yet all have agreed to ~/.local/lib/pd/extra as the default > install path (and most recent Deken uses it). more important: (upcoming) Pd-0.47-1 uses it > There was some concerns about creating directories without asking. Now, > do those co

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-16 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 06/15/2016 02:32 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > It's working for me. I've taken teh liberty of adding an "OK/cancel" > confirnation that prints where the thing will get installed. nice idea. in the deken repository i've changed this slightly to a "Yes/No/Cancel" dialog: - yes proceeds to instal

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-14 Thread Miller Puckette
I'm just trying to fix a bug or two... but who knows how long that might take. cheers M On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 09:42:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > btw, roughly when could we see a 0.47-1 update? > > cheers > > 2016-06-14 21:32 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette : > > > It's working for

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-14 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
btw, roughly when could we see a 0.47-1 update? cheers 2016-06-14 21:32 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette : > It's working for me. I've taken teh liberty of adding an "OK/cancel" > confirnation that prints where the thing will get installed. (This is > default behavior of apt-get, etc. so it's not too

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-14 Thread Miller Puckette
It's working for me. I've taken teh liberty of adding an "OK/cancel" confirnation that prints where the thing will get installed. (This is default behavior of apt-get, etc. so it's not too nutty of me to think this is a reasonable step. It's much less invasive than throwing the file chooser up a

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-13 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2016-06-08 at 12:09 +0200, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > * by default, install into user's pd externals folder without any > prompt > (~/pd-externals, etc) I'm trying to resume... I believe yet all have agreed to ~/.local/lib/pd/extra as the default install path (and most recent Deken u

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Lucas Cordiviola
> Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience > > > > Le 09/06/2016 à 20:16, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit : > > > > One simple solution will be to have one zip containing all externals > > (updated monthly?) this will be the most simple and interesting for > &

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread patrice colet
Le 09/06/2016 à 20:16, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit : One simple solution will be to have one zip containing all externals (updated monthly?) this will be the most simple and interesting for new users. I don't know in this case how to avoid conflicts, sometimes I have to remove mrpeach from p

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Lucas Cordiviola
> Having deken proposing solutions for resolving missing patch > dependencies looks very interesting, it should save a lot of time to > users that want to collaborate on same patches from different machines. One simple solution will be to have one zip containing all externals (updated mo

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Lucas Cordiviola
> Sorry if I missed this, but what is the point of displaying> incompatible > (wrong arch, wrong platform) Deken packages? What would be> harmed if they'd > be hidden completely? I fail to see the advantage of> having the possibility > of downloading a package of wrong arch/platform. --like: pre

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Dan Wilcox
; danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Max mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>> > Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience > Date: June 9,

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Dan Wilcox
I agree with Hans. My 2 cents: I kind of like ~/pd-externals and use it for both deken and my own git clones of various abstraction libs, etc. I don;t mind it being “in the way” as I routinely work from it on my own libs. IMO there should be a deken path setting in the Path dialog with ~/.loca

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread patrice colet
Le 09/06/2016 à 10:01, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : On 2016-06-09 08:19, patrice colet wrote: one is about adding a lib and/or a path entry in PureData preferences afaict there is agreement that dependencies should be [declare]d in the patch, rather than system-wide. this makes the ability to

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Chris McCormick
On 09/06/16 16:33, Roman Haefeli wrote: Sorry if I missed this, but what is the point of displaying incompatible (wrong arch, wrong platform) Deken packages? What would be harmed if they'd be hidden completely? I fail to see the advantage of having the possibility of downloading a package of wron

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2016-06-09 at 14:14 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2016-06-09 10:33, Roman Haefeli wrote: > > > > Sorry if I missed this, but what is the point of displaying > > incompatible (wrong arch, wrong platform) Deken packages? What > > would be > > harmed if they'd be hidden completely? I

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-09 10:33, Roman Haefeli wrote: > Just to chime in about unzipping-in-Windows aspect, from what I can > tell that would smoothen the Deken experience for Windows users _a > lot_. well, test it https://github.com/pure-data/deken/tree/w32-unzip amd if it works, chances are high that the

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-09 10:33, Roman Haefeli wrote: > Sorry if I missed this, but what is the point of displaying > incompatible (wrong arch, wrong platform) Deken packages? What would be > harmed if they'd be hidden completely? I fail to see the advantage of > having the possibility of downloading a package

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-09 10:58, cyrille henry wrote: > > > Le 09/06/2016 10:33, Roman Haefeli a écrit : > >> In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares >> what it needs and then people who want to run my project find a list in >> the documentation with the required externals >

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Max
ok, cyrille was 2 minutes faster with the idea. Chapeau. On 2016년 06월 09일 17:58, cyrille henry wrote: > > > Le 09/06/2016 10:33, Roman Haefeli a écrit : > >> In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares >> what it needs and then people who want to run my project find

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Max
On 2016년 06월 09일 17:33, Roman Haefeli wrote: > In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares > what it needs and then people who want to run my project find a list in > the documentation with the required externals (with no further > explanation how to do that and where to

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread cyrille henry
Le 09/06/2016 10:33, Roman Haefeli a écrit : In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares what it needs and then people who want to run my project find a list in the documentation with the required externals in an other ideal world, [declare] notice that the declar

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2016-06-09 at 10:06 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2016-06-08 20:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > > > > i still believe that a collapsed subtree view would be ok. > but that's not to say that i would be opposed to totally hiding > incompatible packages (as long as you can easily unh

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2016-06-09 at 10:01 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2016-06-09 08:19, patrice colet wrote: > > > > one is about adding a lib and/or a path entry in PureData > > preferences > afaict there is agreement that dependencies should be [declare]d in > the > patch, rather than system-wide.

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2016-06-08 at 14:00 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2016-06-08 12:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > > > > > I'd > > like to find a little time to contribute to it, to smooth out the > > user > cool. > welcome back. > > > > > > > * hide all incompatible library version by def

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-08 20:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > i still believe that a collapsed subtree view would be ok. but that's not to say that i would be opposed to totally hiding incompatible packages (as long as you can easily unhide them). fgmsadr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-09 08:19, patrice colet wrote: > and the other is about removing/disabling deken installed external ys that would be nice to have. however, it is non-trivial with the current "package architecture" (which is just a zip-file that gets unpacked) to track which files got installed by a giv

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-09 08:19, patrice colet wrote: > one is about adding a lib and/or a path entry in PureData preferences afaict there is agreement that dependencies should be [declare]d in the patch, rather than system-wide. this makes the ability to automatically add libs/paths to the preferences a very

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread patrice colet
hello, I tried to follow deken discussions and would like to jump on topic for pointing out two missing methods... one is about adding a lib and/or a path entry in PureData preferences, and the other is about removing/disabling deken installed external files and pref... best, pc Le 08/0

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 06/08/2016 06:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > I mean completely hide, no trace at all. The way it is now is intimidating. please create a ticket on github. i still believe that a collapsed subtree view would be ok. > > The correct fix IMHO would be to make pd support that's unrelated

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I mean completely hide, no trace at all. The way it is now is intimidating. The correct fix IMHO would be to make pd support ~/.local/share/pd-externals on GNU/Linux, then make all platforms install into there by default. .hc IOhannes m zmoelnig: > On 2016-06-08 12:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Wilcox
-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Matt Barber mailto:brbrof...@gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience > Date: June 8, 2016 at 10:24:10 AM MDT > To: Pd List mailto:pd-l...@iem.at>> > > > Users on the Facebook group have complain

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Barber
Users on the Facebook group have complained that on Windows they have to take the extra step of unzipping. Is there a way to include a simple windows binary with Pd that would decompress automatically? On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2016-06-08 12:09, Hans-Christo

Re: [PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2016-06-08 12:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I'd > like to find a little time to contribute to it, to smooth out the user cool. welcome back. > > * hide all incompatible library version by default (e.g. hide OSX and > Windows versions on GNU/Linux) this is what we are currently doing

[PD] deken install user experience

2016-06-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I'm just trying deken for the first time, awesome piece of work! I'd like to find a little time to contribute to it, to smooth out the user experience for newbies. I can see there are all sorts of use cases for all of the install options that it currently provides, but it is pretty confusing for