Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
At 02:37 PM 16/10/2007, you wrote: >On 15/10/2007, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > >"Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." > > > -Jean Luc Godard > > > > "Make it so." > > - Jean Luc Picard >

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
At 02:41 PM 16/10/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:04 PM, William Robb wrote: > > I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like > > something > > that can keep up with my dogs. > >So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I was waiting for that >

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:04 PM, William Robb wrote: > Do try to appreciate that some people actually want a high spec > camera body, > whether or not they will use it to the maximum of it's abilities. > Not all of us shoot dead objects sitting on sidewalks. > I have two dogs that can easily outru

RE: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Interesting question. Is it a real "analog" pen or a digital one? I use a simple, cheap Wacom pen. I have made a PSD file with a signature mask, to drag and drop into any image: http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/482801832/in/set-72157600172610993/ Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Peter Fairweather
On 15/10/2007, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >"Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." > > -Jean Luc Godard > > "Make it so." > - Jean Luc Picard > Cheers, > Cotty "Indeed!" -Teal'c -- PDML Pen

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? > On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:02 PM, William Robb wrote: > >>> For a second rate company, they do pretty well. >> >> Try shooting with a mid range or higher Canon somtime.

Re: PESO - August Morning - without sun.

2007-10-15 Thread cbwaters
Ken, I like it but I just can't abide chopping off that little bit of peninsula on the left there. A little more to the right or left would be ok, but it looks like there's not much land left and you nipped it off. But eh, I'm just a troll from below the bridge... what do I know? CW - Or

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:02 PM, William Robb wrote: >> For a second rate company, they do pretty well. > > Try shooting with a mid range or higher Canon somtime. Owned them, did that. > Have a look at the D40. Not interested. thanks though. I'd buy a Nikon or an Olympus first. Canon lenses don'

Re: PESO - Time & Wind II

2007-10-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/15/2007 7:16:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: really like the textures and colors in both of these. What is missing for me, though, is scale. They could be taken from 2 feet or 2000 feet away. Maybe a shell or bit of seaweed or something to give

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
You are a glutton for punishment... Adam Maas wrote: > I use vi > > -Adam > Always the odd one out. > > > Tom C wrote: > >> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use >> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? >> >> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? > For a second rate company, they do pretty well. Try shooting with a mid range or higher Canon somtime. Have a look at the D40. In 1972, Pentax was still more or le

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Which certainly explains a lot of STTNG plots. Bob Blakely wrote: > "Will, sometimes there is nothing we can do but bow to the absurd." > - Picard, again... > > Regards, > Bob... > > "Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality o

Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
The Plantation Foundation is suing the photographer for making and selling Fine Art prints as a commercial use in the court dedicated to copyright claims as a copyright infringement.. The law is being stretched beyond all recognition. The photographer is selling them for prices ranging from $25

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
Dunno, but it's small. I just started shooting LF film to boot. -Adam Tom C wrote: > What % are you? :-) > > > > Tom C. > > >> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the kno

Re: Revenue Neutral (was Re: Photographer Being Sued)

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
By statute the various ones around here can charge up to $1.00, which means that the price is $1.00 per copy. John Sessoms wrote: > From: "P. J. Alling" > > >> Go to your local land records office, it's self serve, and they still >> charge you over and above the actual cost for copies... >>

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, >> perception in >> the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an >> APS-C size >> sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF >> DSLR's, then >> Pentax must also. If they do not, they will

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
What % are you? :-) Tom C. >From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? >Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:32:32 -0400 > >I use vi > >-Adam >Always the odd one out. >

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
> > > My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception > > in > > the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C > > size > > sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, >then > > Pentax must also. If they do not, they wil

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
I use vi -Adam Always the odd one out. Tom C wrote: > It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use > WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? > > I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where > Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with the K10D. Your suppositions are probably correct.

Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no particular emotional merit. Godfrey >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comme

Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, John Celio wrote: > How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot > more than > one good photo of a subject? ... Sometimes with great ease. Other times with great difficulty. A typical submission for exhibition requires I pick three to five pho

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? > My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception > in > the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C > size > sensor. If

Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "John Celio" Subject: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing > How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than > one good photo of a subject? I haven't had that happen yet. > > Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being one now will make little difference. I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony 12MP sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, p

RE: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 - 12 months though, I susect they are done for. Tom C. >From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "pdml" >Subject: Next

Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/15/2007 7:05:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than one good photo of a subject? Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of said subject are good, how do you distance y

Re: OT: Another cycling injury :(

2007-10-15 Thread Brian Walters
I managed to put a chain saw though my phone line on Saturday so I'm only now catching up with the list (yes, I knew the phone line was there.) Sorry to hear about the fall, Dave. Hope recovery will be quicker than anticipated. On the bright side, it did happen *after* your visit to Sydney

Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-15 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 06:54:15PM -0700, John Celio wrote: > How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than > one good photo of a subject? > > Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of said subject are good, > how do you distance yourself from your personal

Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
> How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than > one good photo of a subject? I usually get super nit picky & force myself to pick only one. I usually can find things about one image that help it to rise above others. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f -

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
"Will, sometimes there is nothing we can do but bow to the absurd." - Picard, again... Regards, Bob... "Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: "Da

Re: PESO: Lens Neglect

2007-10-15 Thread Dave Kennedy
hmmm most interesting. Thanks for the info. I have been finding that I seem to get a really dominant red for some concert shots. dk On 10/15/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So if the red channel only is blowing out detail, what do you do? > > Underexpose? > I back down the

Re: PESO - Time & Wind II

2007-10-15 Thread Rick Womer
I really like the textures and colors in both of these. What is missing for me, though, is scale. They could be taken from 2 feet or 2000 feet away. Maybe a shell or bit of seaweed or something to give us a hint? Rick --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Another one from Pebble Beach in Half

Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
Touchy, Touchy. No need to get your panties in a bunch Paul. My personal opinion of street photography is that it rarely works at a distance & without a sense of interaction. The stuff I really enjoy looking at makes you feel like you're there. This one doesn't. Technically it's a fine shot, bu

Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-15 Thread John Celio
How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than one good photo of a subject? Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of said subject are good, how do you distance yourself from your personal attachment to your work or subject, in order to objectively edit it a

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread Jack Davis
'bout time you learned to spell your last name, too. <> Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Crayolas have worked for me for the longest. > > Tom C. > > > > > > > Branding iron. > > > > > > K'plah!! > > > >That i have > > > >Dave > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Cotty >

Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week Air Show (Blue Angels & More)

2007-10-15 Thread John Celio
> John, there's lots of my posts that get no responses. Your gallery was > very nice. I didn't comment since I didn't see anything that I could > offer a constructive criticism about, exposure seemed to be good, most > were sharp and good looking, and considering the limitations of your > equipment

Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week Air Show (Blue Angels & More)

2007-10-15 Thread John Celio
> That's a lot of photos to look at and comment on, john. > I just ran it as a slideshow ... many good photos in there. Thanks! > Edit, edit, edit! Show *only* the best! No more than eight at a time > if you want comments is my experience. I have such a hard time deciding which photos to cut and

Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week Air Show (Blue Angels & More)

2007-10-15 Thread John Celio
> FWIW - > I started to look @ them last night & just decided there were too many - > I'm > on dial up. > A few of your best would have gotten me to look @ them. There were an awful lot for dialup, sorry about that. I've been on broadband for a decade now, and keep forgetting there are still pl

Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week Air Show (Blue Angels & More)

2007-10-15 Thread John Celio
> Didn't have time to look (or do much else) over the weekend. Good > composition and presentation. if you are photographing prop driven planes > and helis, you need to use a slower shutter speed to stop them looking > like scale models held in the air by an invisible string. About 1/125th >

Re: PESO - August Morning - without sun.

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice composition. I wonder how it might look with a bit of warming. Paul On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: > Check out > http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html > > Taken in Seney NWR, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, last August. > > Comments appreciated >

Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's the photographic equivealent of PC nonsense. I'm less than a dozen feet away from the subjects. If you use a wide lens and the subject doesn't see you, it's not a sniper shot? Albano has frequently mentioned how he likes the fact that the DA 16-45 looks like a telephoto at its widest

Re: PESO: Hope

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good one. A perfect juxtaposition. Paul On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > A few weeks ago we had our annual Parkway Run/Walk to > benefit our cancer research program at The Children's > Hospital of Philadelphia. About 5000 people turned > out. I took lots of photos, including this

Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Mark Erickson
I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier camera company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system camera here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax lens selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not pr

Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

2007-10-15 Thread graywolf
I did not say anything about fine art prints. Commercial use is not fine art use. However selling hundreds of copies printed on your trusty Epson probably is commercial use; and I am pretty dam sure selling thousands of litho prints is no matter how artsy the image is. You keep putting specifi

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
"Tea. Earl grey. Hot" - Ditto same guy Cheers, Dave On 10/16/07, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Engage." > - Same guy. > > Regards, > Bob... > > "Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." >

Re: Revenue Neutral (was Re: Photographer Being Sued)

2007-10-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: "P. J. Alling" > Go to your local land records office, it's self serve, and they still > charge you over and above the actual cost for copies... Actually, ours doesn't over-charge by much - it's $0.10 per page. Not out of line with what Kinkos or OfficeMaxDepotStaples would charge. -- P

Re: OT - of interest to PDA users...

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
On 10/16/07, Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David, > > While you are right about the interference reason, the second > statement, I believe, is not accurate. Always a possibility :-) > I am not sure how long ago you have flown, but the trend I see is that > those phone are removed f

Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
It's a long range sniper shot. Personally I don't find that kind "street" photography appealing. When I compare it to the work by those who get in close with a wide lens, it lacks the intimacy of that style. Cheers, Dave On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure w

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
>- Original Message - >From: "John Sessoms" >Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? > > > If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an > > over-priced Honda. > > > >I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. > >William

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? > If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an > over-priced Honda. > I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. William Robb -

PESO - August Morning - without sun.

2007-10-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Taken in Seney NWR, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, last August. Comments appreciated Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.n

Re: Revenue Neutral (was Re: Photographer Being Sued)

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Go to your local land records office, it's self serve, and they still charge you over and above the actual cost for copies... John Sessoms wrote: > From: "P. J. Alling" > > >> I also don't believe that you should be required to pay for copies. >> Well that's not true, if the fees were actually

RE: Revenue Neutral (was Re: Photographer Being Sued)

2007-10-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: "P. J. Alling" > I also don't believe that you should be required to pay for copies. > Well that's not true, if the fees were actually paying what the > copies were worth, that would be fine. Especially since actual costs > of running the office are already paid for by tax dollars. You can >

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
John Sessoms wrote: > From: mike wilson > >> Tom C wrote: >> >>> Overall I agree with what Peter is saying (and have always felt >>> this way since the introduction of the *ist D)... that is, when FF >>> sensors become economical enough to be mainstream, Pentax must make >>> a FF body or be regard

Re: OT - of interest to PDA users...

2007-10-15 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> The last time I flew (several years ago but post-9/11), I think >> they asked us to turn off all personal electronics for takeoff >> and landing but said we could turn them back on when the "fasten >> seat belts" sign went out. I thought it was

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
"Engage." - Same guy. Regards, Bob... "Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" Sent: Monday, October

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: mike wilson > Tom C wrote: > >> Overall I agree with what Peter is saying (and have always felt >> this way since the introduction of the *ist D)... that is, when FF >> sensors become economical enough to be mainstream, Pentax must make >> a FF body or be regarded as a 2nd rate toy camera m

Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
Nope. If you're on public property, you have the right to take the photo, period (outside of France & Quebec of course). The subject being on private property is irrelevant. As to commercial use, that's what I'm talking about. Private Property law is far less restrictive than you believe. -Ada

Re: OT - of interest to PDA users...

2007-10-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The last time I flew (several years ago but post-9/11), I think > they asked us to turn off all personal electronics for takeoff > and landing but said we could turn them back on when the "fasten > seat belts" sign went out. I thought it was silly but didn't > mind tur

Re: OT - of interest to PDA users...

2007-10-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: "David Savage" > I don't know if it's a valid reason on modern aircraft, but it's > better to be safe than sorry IMO. It is, but current airline policies don't provide the former, only the later. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.ne

PESO: Hope

2007-10-15 Thread Rick Womer
A few weeks ago we had our annual Parkway Run/Walk to benefit our cancer research program at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. About 5000 people turned out. I took lots of photos, including this quick grab, which summarizes what all of us want for our kids: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?

Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
You should read the NY Times article I posted, selling Art prints is not a commercial purpose under US law. Nor is it a violation of copyright. The case is being tried under the wrong law in the wrong court for a crime that hasn't been committed. graywolf wrote: > You guys are still confusing

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: >"Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." > -Jean Luc Godard "Make it so." - Jean Luc Picard ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottys

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread graywolf
Yes, india ink with a quill pen is the only proper thing. David Savage wrote: > On 10/15/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If not matted, fine tip Sharpie. > > Not the most archival stable choice. > > Cheers, > > Dave > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.n

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread graywolf
Well, for fine art prints a repro signature would not make it as valuable with one with an actual hand written signature. Signatures of fameous people have a pretty good collectors value in their own right. Hummm I will be glad to sell anyone on the list a personalized autograph for $100, no

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Insidious, isn't it? Regards, Bob... "Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection." -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I too was getting excellent resul

Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

2007-10-15 Thread graywolf
You guys are still confusing the right to take the photo, and the right to use the photo commercially. They are entirely different issues, as I have said before. John Sessoms wrote: > From: Adam Maas > >> This is a very grey area. If your Blazer is parked in a public area >> when the picture wa

Re: OT: Another cycling injury :(

2007-10-15 Thread frank theriault
On 10/13/07, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The X-ray sheet was too big for my scanner as it obscured the > calibration area. I wasn't willing to cut it up, so I put it on my > light box and set up the K10D on a tripod. > > Enjoy :) > > http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/xray.html What?

Re: OT: Another cycling injury :(

2007-10-15 Thread frank theriault
On 10/13/07, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This time around I've done it properly. Fell hard while riding home > from the trails and broke my left collarbone. I tried riding/walking > it off while muttering a mixture of encouragement and obscenity to > myself (didn't know it was actuall

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
Crayolas have worked for me for the longest. Tom C. > > > > Branding iron. > > > > K'plah!! > >That i have > >Dave > > > > -- > > > > > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > > > > > ___/\__ > > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > > ___

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
Normally, I wouldn't have seen this, Allings been on my killfile for quite some time, along with joc.. My disparaging comment was simply because I understood exactly what Adam was saying, and Alling seemed to be practicing deliberate stupidity on the subject. Peter, don't cry because I am mean if y

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/15/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/10/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >For those that do sign their work, what pen(s) do you use. > > Branding iron. > > K'plah!! That i have Dave > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places,

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Then I my work is done. Cotty wrote: > On 15/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >> You and JCO should get a Condo together. >> > > I have lots of visions and double-entendres dancing in my head now, non > of them pleasant. > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn.

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
Daft! :-) Tom C. >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On 15/10/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Frankly, Sony and Canon (Manufacturers of the Sensors > >being discussed) > >Frankly sensors aren't very sharp - they suffer from a sort of built-in >motion blur > >-- > > >Cheers, >

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/10/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >For those that do sign their work, what pen(s) do you use. Branding iron. K'plah!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/10/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: >Frankly, Sony and Canon (Manufacturers of the Sensors >being discussed) Frankly sensors aren't very sharp - they suffer from a sort of built-in motion blur -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >You and JCO should get a Condo together. I have lots of visions and double-entendres dancing in my head now, non of them pleasant. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.c

Re: PESO: Lens Neglect

2007-10-15 Thread David J Brooks
Humm. Never thought to look at just the one channel. I'll go back and see what some of them look like. Dave On 10/15/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So if the red channel only is blowing out detail, what do you do? > > Underexpose? > I back down the overall exposure until the r

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
I understand. I've often wished for a wider lens, I just haven't been willing to pay for one. Tom C. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread pnstenquist
I was first motivated to buy DA lenses for the same reason. I had to have wide glass to shoot room and car interiors. The DA 16-45 was a partial solution, and it turned out to be an excellent all-around lens as well. The DA 12-24 has proven to be an even better lens and an optimum solution for i

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
I too was getting excellent results from my non-digital-optimized lenses. Only problem was, non of them were wide enough. I looked all over the place, but couldn't find a rectilinear lens wider than 15mm in the Pentax stable. Of course, once I bought one DA lens, it was easier to buy a second one,

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-15 Thread Steve Desjardins
Sure. We all buy what we buy based on our own needs, wants, finances, permission from the wife, etc. Pentax has to consider it's entire market. Maybe they have enough R&D money from Hoya to flirt with a $2K FF DSLR. I'd be glad to see it just for what it would represent. I also know that the

Re: PESO: Lens Neglect

2007-10-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
> So if the red channel only is blowing out detail, what do you do? > Underexpose? I back down the overall exposure until the red channel is within bounds. >Don't you then loose all non-red detail? No they become somewhat under >exposed. In my cardinal images, It didn't take much correction to pr

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Well, that's you, and you were talking about you and that's good. I was talking about me. No one should assume that I'm implying that others should want what I want. FYI, I also own a 645NII with a 645 for backup as well as a 67II with a 67 for backup. I find the 35mm size to be just perfect for

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread David J Brooks
Seems the better method. Thanks' Dave On 10/15/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave - I use a Sharpie Permanent Marker, ultra fine point, black. > > Kenneth Waller > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f > > > - Original Message - > From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subjec

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Tom C
I don't feel cheated, but... well maybe. Recall that we were expecting a FF DSLR camera from Pentax, first one out the door. OK, that's water under the bridge, but the technology existed then (albeit likely implemented incorrectly) for a FF DSLR. Four - five years later things have changed.

Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd

2007-10-15 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Rebekah. Paul -- Original message -- From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Great! I love the color in this one and the expressions are great :) > > rg2 > > On 10/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean, but I apprec

Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd

2007-10-15 Thread Rebekah
Great! I love the color in this one and the expressions are great :) rg2 On 10/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "David Savag

Re: PESO: Lens Neglect

2007-10-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
> For some reason, when i photograph red flowers, all i get is glob of > red and no detail. Check the red channel of the histogram on the camera. I learned earlier this year, after shooting some cardinals, that even tho the overall histogram was within bounds, when I looked @ the red channel, I

Re: PESO: Lens Neglect

2007-10-15 Thread Dave Kennedy
So if the red channel only is blowing out detail, what do you do? Underexpose? Don't you then loose all non-red detail? (never really used the RGB channel histograms before). dk On 10/15/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check the red channel of the histogram on the camera. > I lea

Re: Signing Photo's

2007-10-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
Dave - I use a Sharpie Permanent Marker, ultra fine point, black. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Signing Photo's > For those that do sign their work, what pen(s) do you use. > > I notice a lot of my fe

Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week Air Show (Blue Angels & More)

2007-10-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
FWIW - I started to look @ them last night & just decided there were too many - I'm on dial up. A few of your best would have gotten me to look @ them. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: > BTW, I just picked that number out of the air; I have no idea what the > cheapest FF DSLR costs. Just FYI, this whole round of "FF debate" was predicated on a rumor that Canon would be releasing a 24x36 mm sensor body in the "inexpensive"

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Steve Desjardins
Having read this thread for a while now, I have a few random thoughts: 1. I have a 645 camera that fits fine in my hand. I never felt cheated that my 35 mm cameras couldn't take a larger format even the advantages of the larger format are obvious. The very definition of the 24x36 sensor as "full

Re: OT - of interest to PDA users...

2007-10-15 Thread John Francis
It's nothing to do with the age of the aircraft, and everything to do with choices made by the aircraft operator. Just what is provided in the way of services at each seat depends on what the operator specifies, but just about every aircraft being flown today could provide payphone service if the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Yes. But ultimately, eventually, it's sensor size, whether they're chemical or electronic photon catchers, that determines maximum obtainable image quality. Having a camera whose physical size is pefect for the hand and can/could accommodate a full frame but has an APS sized sensor really feels

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
From: "Gonz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I thought that the photosites were not color sensitive, i.e. they are > B&W with a Bayer filter pattern in front, so they all would light up > equally with temp, no? Yes, and there is some noise all over; however, the sensor is receiving photons through the fro

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
That's "2.3 stops" to 100%. On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > The active photosite area in the K10D sensor is around 20-30% of the > chip area. There's a long ways to go before we get anywhere near a > 100% efficient collector surface... > > G > > On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:55 AM

Re: Q re DA 16-45/4 on Film

2007-10-15 Thread pnstenquist
Well put, Godders. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Oct 15, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > > > This is valid argument. However, I cannot spend both time and effort, > > *and* the money each time there is a ch

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