Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

On 6 Dec 2014, at 01:11, John wrote: > > [...] > > I hadn't considered Photoshop Elements because I've not used it, but a > quick search tells me the later versions of Elements have at least some > of the tools I want that Lightroom doesn't seem to have - i.e. LAYERS, > layer masks, blending mod

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

John - Elements 5.0 definitely has layers and layer masks. for photography I use photoshop without layers - except for adding my copyright info or captions. But I do a fair amount of graphic design stuff for the calendar covers,book covers, T-shirts, and such. It doesn't seem to me that light

Re: PESO - Lighting

Well exposed and composed, Marco. Don't really think the light, (?) on the right of the frame, is necessary. Jack - Original Message - From: "Marco Alpert" To: "PDML" Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 8:16:04 PM Subject: PESO - Lighting http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso28.html Co

Re: PESO - Lighting

Clever! And beautifully rendered. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: > http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso28.html > > Comments, as always, welcomed. > > -Marco > > --- > http://www.alpert.com/marco > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Bob, I disagree on a few points. First, it's too simplistic to just say that Lr and Ps are built around different metaphors: that's like comparing a Swiss Army knife and a paring knife; they are targeted to different audiences and so are built differently and behave differently, though they can bot

Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird

I had know idea the Robin was a state bird anywhere. It is among the most common birds here in Iowa & watching them hunt for worms (with their feet?) is always fun on summer mornings. Thanks for sharing the photo. The goldfinch is the sate bird in IA and the only photos I have of them is around

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Another choice...although I haven't heard anyone on the list mention they're using it...is Cyberlink's PhotoDirector. It's a LR look-alike currently on sale via Cyberlink's web site. Works with a 64-bit OS and processes files at a 16-bit level. http://www.cyberlink.com/products/photodirector

Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird

The robin is also the Wisconsin state bird... -p On 12/6/2014 10:43 AM, Don Guthrie wrote: I had know idea the Robin was a state bird anywhere. It is among the most common birds here in Iowa & watching them hunt for worms (with their feet?) is always fun on summer mornings. Thanks for sharing t

Re:PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street

I like it. Two disparate objects set to collide - nice balance and wet streets are always a treat. I reminds me a little of a shot Knarf posted some time go when he was still shooting. On 12/5/14, 10:22 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 6 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:14:40 -0500 From: Ric

Re: PESO - Lighting

Ditto. Either the whole lampost or none at all. MHO On 12/5/14, 10:22 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:21:45 -0600 From: Jeffery Johnson To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - Lighting Message-ID:<54828459.50...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com> Content-

Re: PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street

Love the mood of this, Rick. Even your timing was perfect! Jack - Original Message - From: "Don Guthrie" To: "PDML" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:53:51 AM Subject: Re:PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street I like it. Two disparate objects set to collide - nice balance and wet streets

Peso-Guard Hawk

Recently at another local nature refuge. Shot with K-5 back-up w/DA55~300 Comments invited. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=868 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit t

Geso small slice of life still

With the short days of Winter I have been fooling around in the dark inside. Two flicker links: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk64cGgz https://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157649218772719/ SmugMug http://donspix.smugmug.com/Still-Life/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml

Re Dec Pug

I thought it was a wonderful collection technically & clever. I thought Ken's picture seemed to me big and vast and artful & could fit a doz themes. And Jack's half dome makes me feel small and and limited in talent. And Rick W just irks me because I missed a chance to shoot that same statue th

Re: PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street

Thanks to all who have commented! Godfrey, by "printed down a bit" do you mean less exposure? Jeffery, the trolleys stop at each switch through there, and are only moving at a brisk walk in between. And, she had left the stop (in the background) and was heading for the street; so no worries. A

Re: Geso small slice of life still

Very much appreciate your effort here, Don. I believe the B&W would be my choice and I'd try it somewhat lighter. Jack - Original Message - From: "Don Guthrie" To: "PDML" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:02:52 AM Subject: Geso small slice of life still With the short days of Winte

Re: PEso - at the museum

Nice visual irony between the painting subject and the observer! Mark On 12/4/2014 12:31 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: went to the Matisse Cut-out exhibit at MOMA (thanks to free pass from a member) - fabulous! Of course, no photography there. On another floor - there were the Lautrec prints photo

Re: Peso-Guard Hawk

Okay I will tell you now I have a warped sense of humor. It really would have been something if you caught the hawk leaving a present on the sign. Jeffery Johnson Photo Captures by Jeffery http://www.Facebook.com/photocapturesbyjeffery https://twitter.com/P

Re: Geso small slice of life still

I really like the colors and tonality in the color versions. The dark tones, to my eye, harken back to the style of some of the old masters who often did dark still lifes. Mark On 12/6/2014 1:02 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: With the short days of Winter I have been fooling around in the dark insid

Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird

Nice shot Ken - very lively pose! Mark On 12/5/2014 2:43 PM, Ken Waller wrote: The American Robin (Turdus migratorius) is the state Bird of Michigan. Ist*D, 300mm f4.5 FA, 1/640, f8.0, 1600 ISO http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17910247 Comments appreciated Kenneth Waller http://www.p

Re: PESO - 'On the Rail'

On 12/3/2014 3:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Thanks Mark - it was chosen by Photonet editors as the photo of the day for 11/30 ! Congratulations on that! Mark I was actually set up and working on some Egrets fishing when the male Cardinal landed on the rail, very close, next to me - luckily the

Re: PESO - Stinkbug!

Thanks, Jack. There was a local news item a month ago that these are a new variety of stick bug (new to Michigan) from Asia. Last year and seemingly again this year one or two appear every few weeks. In late autumn they were very plentiful outside. Mark On 12/5/2014 11:55 AM, Jack Davis wrote

Re: PESO - Stinkbug!

Thanks, Don - it kind of reminds me of the mother ship landing... Mark On 12/5/2014 12:16 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Nicely sharp & detailed. It is such an odd shape from this angle that it could be an abstract object if one did not know the subject.On 12/5/14 11:00 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote

Re: PESO - Stinkbug!

Thanks, Ken - lit with one flash and some reflectors. Mark On 12/5/2014 12:22 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Nice stinking images Mark! The lighting seems very natural. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Mark C" Subject: PESO - Stinkbug!

Re: PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street

Nice mood, lighting and color. I want to yell "Look out!" On 12/5/2014 10:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote: On my way home last week... http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17919256&size=lg (K-5, DA 40/2.8 LTD) Comments appreciated! Rick --- This email is free from viruses and malware becaus

PDML and i-devices

Does anyone know of a way to send messages to PDML from an iPhone or iPad? It appears that plain text is not an option on these devices. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: PDML and i-devices

I use my comcast mail account on my iPhone to send messages to PDML. I can choose plain text and it works fine. Paul > On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Richard Womer wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to send messages to PDML from an iPhone or > iPad? It appears that plain text is not an option o

Re: PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street

Love this. Great light, nicely composed and rendered. Paul > On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Mark C wrote: > > Nice mood, lighting and color. I want to yell "Look out!" > > On 12/5/2014 10:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> On my way home last week... >> >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17919256

Re: PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street

Fine capture! The wetness and lighting really brings it alive. -Original Message- >From: Paul Stenquist >Subject: Re: PESO - Wet Evening at 40th Street > >Love this. Great light, nicely composed and rendered. >Paul >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Mark C wrote: >> >> Nice mood, lighting

Re: PESO - echinacea seed head

Beautiful image. Thanks for the lighting hint, by the way. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxpho

Re: PDML and i-devices

I often use my iPad for email when traveling. I don’t recall any issue with sending to PDML. So, apparently ’tis your problem and not a general problem. But I have no clue whether your issue might be related to your ISP, your iPad settings, or what. Sorry. stan On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Rich

Pingu

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Re: PDML and i-devices

Just tested it from my ipad and had no problem. I do find though that if I paste a link into an email, those nice people in Cupertino convert it to not-plain so that it won't go through. Thanks guys. It might be something you can set at the host. My email is all hosted by Microsoft and configu

Re: Pingu

Quoting Bob W-PDML : Don't read this Sorry :-(> -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE f

FS Saturday: Super A with 35/2 SMC-A

Black Pentax Super A, EX+ condition with caps and strap, together with SMC-A 35mm f/2, also EX+ condition. $300 for the bundle, or $125 for the Super A body and $225 for the 35/2 separately. Photos available upon request. Joe Wilensky -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http:

Re: Peso-Guard Hawk

Well, maybe he thought the ones there were enough of a statement.(?) Jack :) - Original Message - From: "Jeffery Johnson" To: "PDML" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 11:01:59 AM Subject: Re: Peso-Guard Hawk Okay I will tell you now I have a warped sense of humor. It really would have

Re: PEso - at the museum

What Mark said. - Marco On Dec 6, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Mark C wrote: > Nice visual irony between the painting subject and the observer! > > Mark > > On 12/4/2014 12:31 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >> went to the Matisse Cut-out exhibit at MOMA (thanks to free pass from a >> member) - fabulous! >>

Re: PESO - Lighting

Jack, Jeffrey,Don - I (and I suspect, Elliott Erwitt) would disagree. adjust funnybones, guys ann On 12/6/2014 11:56, Don Guthrie wrote: Ditto. Either the whole lampost or none at all. MHO On 12/5/14, 10:22 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:21:45 -0600 F

Re: Pingu

now you tell me On 12/6/2014 15:38, Bob W-PDML wrote: Don't read this -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Re Dec Pug

Don - I looked at the PUG for two days and couldn't decided on a fave, a top 3, a top 4... etc... just plain nice to look at them all. and a second look reveals things a quick read through misses.. I thought "nice train" but didn't quite get the "big" having missed the man in the lower left..

Re: PESO - Lighting

Seems my Funny Bone wasn't designed to stretch that far.:) Jack - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" To: "PDML" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:03:08 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Lighting Jack, Jeffrey,Don - I (and I suspect, Elliott Erwitt) would disagree. adjust funnybones, guys

Re: Peso-Guard Hawk

Indeed! The "enforcer" is very persuasive. nice bit of whimsey - and anyway I love red-tails ann On 12/6/2014 13:00, Jack Davis wrote: Recently at another local nature refuge. Shot with K-5 back-up w/DA55~300 Comments invited. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=868

Re: PESO - Stinkbug!

Mark - Looks to me exactly the same... I was about to write "from outer space?" I don't think he is so ugly with his bejeweledness. ann On 12/6/2014 14:09, Mark C wrote: Thanks, Don - it kind of reminds me of the mother ship landing... Mark On 12/5/2014 12:16 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Nicely s

Re: PDML and i-devices

On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Richard Womer wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of a way to send messages to PDML from an iPhone or >> iPad? It appears that plain text is not an option on these devices. iOS Mail allows me to reply to PDML messages, and type in (not paste) URLs, but I can't send origina

Re: Peso-Guard Hawk

Hawks have a night guard scowl about them that would put off a junk yard dog. I agree, Ann, Red Tail hawks are a favored target. Appreciated comments! Jack - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" To: "PDML" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:23:07 PM Subject: Re: Peso-Guard Hawk I

Re: PESO - Stinkbug!

Looks a bit stealthy, also. Jack - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" To: "PDML" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 3:04:32 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Stinkbug! Mark - Looks to me exactly the same... I was about to write "from outer space?" I don't think he is so ugly with his bejewel

Re: Pingu

On 6/12/14, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: >Don't read this -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pd

Re: PDML and i-devices

I have my two work email accounts on iOS Mail, and would prefer to keep them well separated from PDML mail. Yahoo mail worked nicely for that until they changed their settings so that everything was marked as spam. Unfortunately Gmail doesn't provide a plain text option. I guess I'll have to wait

iOS test

After reading Godders message I realized that I never initiate a pdml message from my phone, I only reply. So this is a test to see if I can send a new message to the list from my iPhone6 using apple mail and the comcast server. Paul via phone -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: iOS test

I'm a frayed knot. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > After reading Godders message I realized that I never initiate a pdml message > from my phone, I only reply. So this is a test to see if I can send a new > message to the list from my iPhone6 using apple mail and the com

Also an iOS test

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Re: Also an iOS test

On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:09 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > Plain text? > > stan > > Sent from my iPad No problem. It must have to do with your ISP Rick. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit th

Okay another test..

Haven't tried to do a new msg with iOS 8.1.1... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Okay another test..

Yay! It works now. :-) Godfrey -- > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Haven't tried to do a new msg with iOS 8.1.1... > > Godfrey > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, pl

Re: Pingu

On 12/6/2014 3:38 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Don't read this Don't worry, I didn't. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.

Re: PDML and i-devices

Now I know why your e-mails keep showing up in random threads. On 12/6/2014 6:12 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Richard Womer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to send messages to PDML from an iPhone or iPad? It appears that plain text is not an option on these devices

Re: PESO - Lighting

On 12/5/2014 11:16 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso28.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco Like others before me I find the lighting fixture on the right-hand edge a distraction. -- Science - Questions we m

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

What you say is true if you strike the words "perfectly happily". On 12/6/2014 2:53 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: LR can work perfectly happily with whatever folder structure you set up. B On 6 Dec 2014, at 02:03, John Coyle wrote: My experience is the same as Paul's. LR is good at processing succ

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

On 12/6/2014 3:15 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 6 Dec 2014, at 01:11, John wrote: [...] I hadn't considered Photoshop Elements because I've not used it, but a quick search tells me the later versions of Elements have at least some of the tools I want that Lightroom doesn't seem to have - i.e. LAYE

Re: PDML and i-devices

Likely not the explanation. I haven't had time to start a new thread here in eons. Godfrey > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > > Now I know why your e-mails keep showing up in random threads. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdm

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Incorrect. LR cares not what your file system is organized like. It does require that you understand how to use it. Godfrey > On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:11 PM, John wrote: > > What you say is true if you strike the words "perfectly happily". > >> On 12/6/2014 2:53 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> LR can w

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

You don't have to. No one is telling you that you have to. Use whatever software you like. But if you want to use LR, it works in ways that are different from Photoshop. If you don't understand that, and don't want to understand that, fine ... Don't bother with it. Godfrey > On Dec 6, 2014

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

I don't really know anything about Photoshop Elements. I just thought the price for a full version of Photoshop CS6 (or even CS5) on Amazon is appalling. It's more than I paid for the full shrink-wrap version of PhotoshopCS PLUS the upgrades to CS3, CS5 & CS6. I just got to wondering if Photosho

Re: Geso small slice of life still

Don't look anything like my granddaddy's still. On 12/6/2014 1:02 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: With the short days of Winter I have been fooling around in the dark inside. Two flicker links: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk64cGgz https://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157649218772719/ SmugMug http://d

Re: iOS test

On 12/6/2014 9:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: After reading Godders message I realized that I never initiate a pdml message from my phone, I only reply. So this is a test to see if I can send a new message to the list from my iPhone6 using apple mail and the comcast server. Paul via phone See

Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird

Thanks Ann. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird Oh, Ken - that's just plain wonderful! ann On 12/5/2014 14:43, Ken Waller wrote: The American Robin (Turdus migratorius)

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Quoting Bob W-PDML : LR and PS are built around different metaphors. Layers are a graphic design concept, not a photography concept. LR is built around the idea of a darkroom, where there are no layers as far as I recall. This I think is key to understanding LR. What results can you achi

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Easy to find out: - Go to http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop_elements&loc=us - Download and install a trial version of Photoshop Elements 13. - Try it out. For many, I'm sure it is a viable alternative to Photoshop CC. For others, I'm sure it is not. Godfrey > On D

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

> On Dec 6, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > … one thing I like to do with layers in PS for certain images, and once I've > adjusted the colour image the way I like, is to merge all layers to a new top > layer and do a B&W conversion on it with Silver Efex Pro. In this way I can > s

Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird

Thankds for your comments Mark. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Mark C" Subject: Re: PESO - Giving you the Bird Nice shot Ken - very lively pose! Mark On 12/5/2014 2:43 PM, Ken Waller wrote: The American Robin (Turdus mi

Re: Re Dec Pug

Thanks Don and I agree this months gallery was one of the better as far as submitted images and the title are concerned. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Don Guthrie" Subject: Re Dec Pug I thought it was a wonderful collecti

Re: iOS test

Shouldn't that be a frayed knot ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Bruce Walker" Subject: Re: iOS test I'm a frayed knot. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: After reading Godders message I realized tha

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Let me chime in, though I am mostly lurking these days... Reply interspersed. On 12/5/2014 10:50, Malcolm Smith wrote: Photoshop or Lightroom? Lightroom or Photoshop? Or both? Or neither? All answers are correct :-). For the last couple of years, photography has been a dormant hobby, the ca

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

John, Lightroom does what I ask it to do. The folder structure is mine and mine alone. Lightroom follows it to the last bit. Please notice that if you buy version major.0, then all major.x upgrades are free. Additionally, you can buy an upgrade (about 60% or so of the full version price). This

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

On 12/5/2014 17:29, Mark Roberts wrote: Malcolm Smith wrote: Photoshop or Lightroom? Lightroom or Photoshop? Or both? Or neither? Each one will do things the other won't, but Lightroom is by far the better tool for photographers these days; Photoshop has become more of a graphic designer's to

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Bob, you grok rightly :-). On 12/5/2014 20:24, Bob W-PDML wrote: I've been using Lightroom since it was in beta. I don't have Photoshop - don't need it. Wait until you absolutely know you need Photoshop, and worry about it then. In the meantime spend some time learning Lightroom. B On 5 Dec

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi : On Dec 6, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote: … one thing I like to do with layers in PS for certain images, and once I've adjusted the colour image the way I like, is to merge all layers to a new top layer and do a B&W conversion on it with Silver Efex Pro.

Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

Quoting Boris Liberman : Let me chime in, though I am mostly lurking these days... Personally, I don't like the idea of cloud based personal software. That, of course, is one of the myths about the Creative Cloud system. The software isn't cloud based - it and your files reside on your