PESO: POW WOW

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Today, our local community college hosted a POW WOW featuring Native American dancers, singers, drums, crafts and food from all over the country, called Painted Faces in the Valley. Unfortunately, the weather was cold and rainy, with a snow shower here and there, so the event had to be moved

Re: PESO: POW WOW

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Today, our local community college hosted a POW WOW featuring Native > American dancers, singers, drums, crafts and food from all over the country, >

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Alan C
A wonderful set, Larry I have to drive far to see anything like that. Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:03 AM To: Pentax-Discuss List Subject: peso almost home This is a view of downtown Felton coming into town on Mount Hermon Road

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Alan C
Thanks for that erudite explanation, Larry. I found some more complex explanations on the Web too. I'll give it a go with my M50/1.7 which is the fastest lens I have. Unfortunately the K7 will be quite noisy at ISO 1600. Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Saturday,

Re: Breakfast

2016-04-09 Thread David Mann
On Apr 10, 2016, at 7:48 AM, steve harley wrote: > On 2016-04-08 23:56 , David Mann wrote: >> Sadly the winters here are too cold so I have to start from seeds again each >> spring. > > note that you can bring pepper plants inside for the winter and they keep > producing;

K-1 design process

2016-04-09 Thread Stanley Halpin
I don’t believe this has been mentioned here… Pentax has a K-1 page whereon they have been posting a weekly discourse on the design process for the K-1. http://www.pentax.com/en/k-1/challengers/challengers04.html I thought this item from this week’s essay would be of interest to those here who

Re: PESO: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Cute photo. I think you meant girl rather than gir; On April 9, 2016 7:25:45 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >I found this pretty young lady on a beach in Maui: > >http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18215432=md >Optio S >Comments are invited > >Dan Matyola

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Jack Davis
Been to events at Laguna Seca. Drove there from my home in San Jose in a '56 Chevy Belair. Miss it! J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Will do. I've been to Laguna Seca and have driven the track in a Nissan and a > Porsche

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Will do. I've been to Laguna Seca and have driven the track in a Nissan and a Porsche (clumsily), but that was a long time ago and I'm overdue for another visit. Paul via phone > On Apr 9, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Very nice

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Paul Stenquist wrote: Very nice you're fortunate to live in such a beautiful place! Yes I am. You and Grace should come for a visit sometime. She'd probably get a kick out of the Santa Cruz Boardwalk. You'd probably enjoy a visit to Laguna Seca 40 miles further South. Paul via

Re: PESO - Control Valve North 550

2016-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well seen! Paul via phone > On Apr 9, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > On my way home from work, in the stairwell of our new outpatient building: > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18215693=lg > > (K-5, DA 40/2.8 Ltd.) > > Comments appreciated. > >

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Very nice you're fortunate to live in such a beautiful place! Paul via phone > On Apr 9, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > This is a view of downtown Felton coming into town on Mount Hermon Road > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/25730786003/ > > I was

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Powerful, mysterious and very effective. Thank you. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: This is a view of downtown Felton coming into town on Mount Hermon Road

Re: peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Powerful, mysterious and very effective. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > This is a view of downtown Felton coming into town on Mount Hermon Road > >

peso almost home

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
This is a view of downtown Felton coming into town on Mount Hermon Road https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/25730786003/ I was running an errand, got distracted by the clouds on the hills and spent some time playing with my camera. Full set at:

PESO - Control Valve North 550

2016-04-09 Thread Rick Womer
On my way home from work, in the stairwell of our new outpatient building: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18215693=lg (K-5, DA 40/2.8 Ltd.) Comments appreciated. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Breakfast

2016-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2016 1:48 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2016-04-08 23:56 , David Mann wrote: Sadly the winters here are too cold so I have to start from seeds again each spring. note that you can bring pepper plants inside for the winter and they keep producing; ours don't get full sun in winter so their

Re: OT: SpaceX finally did it.

2016-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2016 2:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark Stringer wrote: Looked easy enough when I was a kid in the cartoons. It must have been really fun being a kid in the cartoons. Those kids got to do all sorts of fun stuff. I dunno. I was the one who had to wear the Wiley Coyote suit. -- PDML

Re: OT: SpaceX finally did it.

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Mark Stringer wrote: Looked easy enough when I was a kid in the cartoons. It must have been really fun being a kid in the cartoons. Those kids got to do all sorts of fun stuff. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's nice on the K-3, although not necessary perhaps. Paul via phone > On Apr 9, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Mark C wrote: > > Thanks, Paul - appreciate you checking. I guess I'll wait and get the lens > and the K1 together. > >> On 4/9/2016 2:07 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Paul - appreciate you checking. I guess I'll wait and get the lens and the K1 together. On 4/9/2016 2:07 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Just checked the DFA 24-70/2.8. It doesn't have shaft drive. SDM only. Great lens though, based on my early work with it. Paul via phone On Apr 9,

Re: London Hotel

2016-04-09 Thread Bob W-PDML
Be sure visit the belles of Shoreditch whilst here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/lists/hipster-venues-in-shoreditch-that-will-make-you-despair/ B > > >> On 9 April 2016 at 10:46, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> Any PDMLers visiting London in the future might be interested

Re: OT: SpaceX finally did it.

2016-04-09 Thread P.J. Alling
The DC=X did it regularly in testing before NASA pulled the plug. SpaceX has complicated it's mission by landing on a barge. On 4/9/2016 5:49 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: Looked easy enough when I was a kid in the cartoons. I can't believe they finally did it. That sea was pitchin', that landing

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread P.J. Alling
Screwdrive AF is going the way of the Dodo on everything except the most compact Pentax branded lenses. As the owner and still occasional user of a *ist-D and DS I recommend replacing whatever you're using that's prior to a K100D Super. You won't regret it. The D sits on a shelf and the DS

Re: London Hotel

2016-04-09 Thread P.J. Alling
The photographer get's a 5 while correcting for tilt, the vantage point leads to a vertical lines that are not vertical, and obvious keystoning. On 4/9/2016 5:46 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Any PDMLers visiting London in the future might be interested in this review:

Re: Breakfast

2016-04-09 Thread steve harley
On 2016-04-08 23:56 , David Mann wrote: Sadly the winters here are too cold so I have to start from seeds again each spring. note that you can bring pepper plants inside for the winter and they keep producing; ours don't get full sun in winter so their production drops; there are some small

Re: PESO: OOOH Look

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Mark. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Mark Stringer wrote: > Nice expression. I like that photo. > > > On 4/9/2016 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> At the local St Patrick's Day Parade: >>

Re: PESO: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Alan, and thank Ann. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Alan C wrote: > Ann (my wife) says I must tell you "Oh, cute"! > > Alan C > > -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola > Sent: Saturday, April 09,

Re: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks! I agree about the clutter, but it was after all a public beach. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > Good subject. Would have been cuter with a less cluttered background. > > > Kenneth

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Alan C wrote: I'm surprised there is virtually no lateral movement of the stars visible with a 10 sec. exposure. I suppose the short focal length plays a part. In 1965 I photographed the Ikeya-Seki comet using a Super Tak 135/3.5, ASA 1250, 5 sec and slight movement was visible. 20 seconds

Re: PESO: Wag More, Bark Less

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > I made an online version: Hilarious!! I agree with the sentiment strongly. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO: Wag More, Bark Less

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Mark Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Mark C wrote: > Nice - I like the "patina" in how the sticker is starting to peel off. > > > On 4/8/2016 10:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> Saw this bumper

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Alan C
Thanks for that, John. It only took 50 years to get the answer! Alan C -Original Message- From: John Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 8:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night If you follow the "rule of 600", the FA31 gives you a maximum

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread John
If you follow the "rule of 600", the FA31 gives you a maximum exposure time of 12.9 seconds before you start to see star trails. At 20 seconds any trails would still be to short to be obvious. (600/(31*1.5)) On the K-1, without the crop factor, you'd get 19 seconds with the FA31 before the star

Re: OT: SpaceX finally did it.

2016-04-09 Thread John
This is just a SWAG, but I expect that by the time it lands most of the fuel & oxidizer are used up so that the majority of the weight is down at the bottom where the rocket engine is located, giving it a fairly low center of gravity. Couple that with the apparent wide stance of the extendable

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread John
A couple of drones, some LED lights & you could do your own remake of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". On 4/8/2016 9:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There were relatively clear skies at thunderhill racetrack this week, and I tried a bit of night time panoramas. I'd really like wider faster

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Just checked the DFA 24-70/2.8. It doesn't have shaft drive. SDM only. Great lens though, based on my early work with it. Paul via phone > On Apr 9, 2016, at 1:56 PM, jtainter wrote: > > >> Pentax has not produced any dual drive lenses since the first two SDM >>

Boris #16 - Above and beyond

2016-04-09 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/04/2016-15-above-and-beyond.html Please click through. I am slowly learning about the Nik Software editing package and I find it... fascinating... Give your brutal and honest critique.. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread jtainter
> Pentax has not produced any dual drive lenses since the first two SDM > lenses--the 16-50 and 50-135. The DA* 300/4, DA* 200/2.8, and DA* 60-250/4 are dual-drive as well. Then I am mistaken. If the newest lenses have shaft drive, that is very good news. I have been concerned that Pentax

Re: PESO: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Alan C
Ann (my wife) says I must tell you "Oh, cute"! Alan C -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 4:25 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Surfer Chick I found this pretty young lady on a beach in Maui:

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Alan C
I'm surprised there is virtually no lateral movement of the stars visible with a 10 sec. exposure. I suppose the short focal length plays a part. In 1965 I photographed the Ikeya-Seki comet using a Super Tak 135/3.5, ASA 1250, 5 sec and slight movement was visible. Alan C -Original

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I have the lens, but I don’t have a screw drive autofocus camera to try it > on. Can one tell just by looking at the lens mount? I would think so. i’ll > take a look when I get a minute. I do have numerous screw

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Mark Stringer
Well, that is good enough reason to keep it and even better on a K-1. I also have a DA14/2.8. That is the widest and fastest I have. Astronomy is another of my latent hobbies and these wide field views are so impressive. On 4/9/2016 10:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark Stringer wrote: I'm

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:04 PM, jtainter wrote: > Pentax has not produced any dual drive lenses since the first two SDM > lenses--the 16-50 and 50-135. The DA* 300/4, DA* 200/2.8, and DA* 60-250/4 are dual-drive as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO: OOOH Look

2016-04-09 Thread Mark Stringer
Nice expression. I like that photo. On 4/9/2016 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: At the local St Patrick's Day Parade: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18215518 K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 Comments are invited Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML

Re: PESO: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Jack Davis
A couple summers ago I went to a local public swimming pool with the idea of shooting some swimming and diving action. When I approached the pool work staff with my reason for being there they ask I not shoot the swimmers of any age, especially the young children, as it makes any parents watching

Re: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Ken Waller
Good subject. Would have been cuter with a less cluttered background. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: PESO: Surfer Chick I found this pretty young lady on a beach in Maui:

Re: Where to send a Tamron 18-250 for repair?

2016-04-09 Thread Zos Xavius
LOL. Tamron would be the best place to send it. It looks like they farm out their repairs though so there is that, but at least if something goes awry you can bark at tamron and hope they will help you to solve your problem. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have the lens, but I don’t have a screw drive autofocus camera to try it on. Can one tell just by looking at the lens mount? I would think so. i’ll take a look when I get a minute. I do have numerous screw drive only lenses, so I should be able to compare it to those. Paul > On Apr 9, 2016,

Re: D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread jtainter
"Is the 24-70 f2.8 lens SDM only? Or does it also work with the old style cam driven AF as well as SDM? I assume it is SDM only but haven't found a review that says one way or the other." Pentax has not produced any dual drive lenses since the first two SDM lenses--the 16-50 and 50-135. Joe

Re: PESO: Wag More, Bark Less

2016-04-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >Saw this bumper sticker on a car recently: >http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18214978=lg I made an online version: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/102743181/lurk-moretroll-les_sticker?shop=Robertstech=1701833948 ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Mark Stringer wrote: I'm impressed and encouraged. I guess you could call it rich field photography. I like them all. What was your technique? Just the K-3II Astrotracer? Any pointers on the setup" I didn't think about it until just now, but it would be interesting to see how the pixel

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Mark Stringer wrote: I'm impressed and encouraged. I guess you could call it rich field photography. I like them all. What was your technique? Just the K-3II Astrotracer? Any pointers on the setup" I didn't think about it until just now, but it would be interesting to see how the pixel

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Mark C wrote: NIce set - the first and the last are particularly good. Thanks Mark, also Mark, Godfrey, Rick, Alan and ken. Larry On 4/8/2016 9:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There were relatively clear skies at thunderhill racetrack this week, and I tried a bit of night time panoramas.

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Mark Stringer wrote: I'm impressed and encouraged. I guess you could call it rich field photography. I like them all. What was your technique? Just the K-3II Astrotracer? Any pointers on the setup" K-3II, no astrophotography, that would blur the foreground. My exposures were 10-20 seconds.

D FA 24-70 f2.8 Question

2016-04-09 Thread Mark C
Is the 24-70 f2.8 lens SDM only? Or does it also work with the old style cam driven AF as well as SDM? I assume it is SDM only but haven't found a review that says one way or the other. I'm sure I'll get this lens when get the K-1, but if it would work with my Mz-S I'd probably go for the

Re: PESO: Wag More, Bark Less

2016-04-09 Thread Mark C
Nice - I like the "patina" in how the sticker is starting to peel off. On 4/8/2016 10:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Saw this bumper sticker on a car recently: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18214978=lg K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 Comments are invited. The sticker caught my eye because of the

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Mark C
NIce set - the first and the last are particularly good. On 4/8/2016 9:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There were relatively clear skies at thunderhill racetrack this week, and I tried a bit of night time panoramas. I'd really like wider faster lenses, and bigger sensors. I also think that it

PESO: OOOH Look

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
At the local St Patrick's Day Parade: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18215518 K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 Comments are invited Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: London Hotel

2016-04-09 Thread Chris Mitchell
I've stayed there! Our Guernsey family were over and we had several rooms. I can thoroughly recommend it. Good value (for London) too. Chris On 9 April 2016 at 10:46, Steve Cottrell wrote: > Any PDMLers visiting London in the future might be interested in this review: > >

PESO: Surfer Chick

2016-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I found this pretty young lady on a beach in Maui: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18215432=md Optio S Comments are invited Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
+1 Like these a lot. It's been rare to get such a clear night sky down here in SCV. G > On Apr 9, 2016, at 6:29 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > > Larry, these are very intriguing. > > I think that just one or two lunar photons would wipe out the stars, and they > add a lot

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Rick Womer
Larry, these are very intriguing. I think that just one or two lunar photons would wipe out the stars, and they add a lot to the second and third shots. Rick On Apr 8, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > There were relatively clear skies at thunderhill racetrack this week, and I > tried

Re: Bag Heaven in Europe

2016-04-09 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/4/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: >I thought it screamed bend me over a chair and make a boy out of me. Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. On my screen. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ --

RE: Bag Heaven in Europe

2016-04-09 Thread Bob W
http://bongarbiz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5-L-r-Pants-on-Fire-guy.jpg > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mitchell > Sent: Saturday, 9 April, 2016 10:35 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Bag Heaven in

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Mark Stringer
I'm impressed and encouraged. I guess you could call it rich field photography. I like them all. What was your technique? Just the K-3II Astrotracer? Any pointers on the setup" On 4/8/2016 8:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There were relatively clear skies at thunderhill racetrack this week, and

Re: OT: SpaceX finally did it.

2016-04-09 Thread Mark Stringer
Looked easy enough when I was a kid in the cartoons. I can't believe they finally did it. That sea was pitchin', that landing bitchin'. Oh I'm rapping. On 4/8/2016 8:25 PM, John wrote: They finally had a successful landing on the drone ship after delivering a cargo to the ISS.

London Hotel

2016-04-09 Thread Steve Cottrell
Any PDMLers visiting London in the future might be interested in this review: (link to UK Telegraph newspaper website review) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _

Re: Bag Heaven in Europe

2016-04-09 Thread Chris Mitchell
You meanie I told you not to post it! On 7 April 2016 at 21:35, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 7/4/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>I wasn't going to post this to the PDML as it appears the things can >>only be purchased in Europe and thereby denying our

Re: experimental geso Thunderhill at night

2016-04-09 Thread Alan C
Impressive images. I'd say the experiment was a success. Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 3:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss List Subject: experimental geso Thunderhill at night There were relatively clear skies at thunderhill racetrack this week,