D645 musings

Some thoughts on the D645... Pentax' strategy in MedF has all the time been to create robust, compact packages that would suit the outdoor photographer better than the competition. I would expect this tradition to be carried on into digital. For such a kind of camera, there are some quite specific

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I´m not that pessimistic. Regarding file size I can´t see why a 18,6MP camera should have very much larger files than Canon´s 16MP or Kodak´s 14MP. A few percent of course corresponding to the number of pixels. The same with the buffer size, and with MF we are used to slow cameras. One pic

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Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't think the D645 is going to be a camera >below USD 10.000. Maybe even above USD 15.000. My guess is between USD 15,000 and 20,000. They're going to try to undercut the Mamiya, but probably won't be able to do so by very much. -- Mark Roberts Photograph

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På 17. mar. 2005 kl. 18.45 skrev Mark Roberts: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think the D645 is going to be a camera below USD 10.000. Maybe even above USD 15.000. My guess is between USD 15,000 and 20,000. They're going to try to undercut the Mamiya, but probably won't be able to do so

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DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >På 17. mar. 2005 kl. 18.45 skrev Mark Roberts: > >> Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I don't think the D645 is going to be a camera >>> below USD 10.000. Maybe even above USD 15.000. >> >> My guess is between USD 15,000 and 20,000. >> They're going to try

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That's OK. From my point of view, not a lot of difference between 10K and 15K, ie., too high. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/17/05 1:44 PM >>> DagT <[EMAIL

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"Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >That's OK. From my point of view, not a lot of difference between 10K and >15K, ie., too high. That's my point of view, too. There's no difference between $8k and $22k for all practical (that is, relating to my bank balance and credit card limits!)

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Mark Roberts wrote; DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: På 17. mar. 2005 kl. 18.45 skrev Mark Roberts: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think the D645 is going to be a camera below USD 10.000. Maybe even above USD 15.000. My guess is between USD 15,000 and 20,000. They're going to try t

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On 17 Mar 2005 at 19:22, DagT wrote: > På 17. mar. 2005 kl. 18.45 skrev Mark Roberts: > > > Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I don't think the D645 is going to be a camera > >> below USD 10.000. Maybe even above USD 15.000. > > > > My guess is between USD 15,000 and 20,000. > > They're

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On 17 Mar 2005 at 17:37, DagT wrote: > Battery capacity is an issue, as the CCD´s are more power consuming > than CMOS, but I´m not sure if the FF Kodak cameras are that much worse > than the Canons. > > Another thing is that CCD´s are slower than CMOS, but on the other hand > they at least

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Pentax has been able to compete in price very effectively in the past. I'm guessing they'll do it again. On Mar 17, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 at 19:22, DagT wrote: På 17. mar. 2005 kl. 18.45 skrev Mark Roberts: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think the D645 i

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Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Pentax has been able to compete in price very effectively in the past. >I'm guessing they'll do it again. Yeah, but they only need to price the camera at $21,999,99 to do it in this market. ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.c

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On 17 Mar 2005 at 17:40, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Pentax has been able to compete in price very effectively in the past. > I'm guessing they'll do it again. Digital cameras are very different to film cameras, the major cost component isn't produced in house and isn't necessarily exclusive to Pen

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1/3 of this size or less since they are RAW files. the Canon's produce about 1 megabyte per megapixel with their compressed RAW. Herb - Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: D645 musings I&

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they are much worse than the Canons. Herb - Original Message - From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: D645 musings Battery capacity is an issue, as the CCD´s are more power consuming than CMOS, but I´m not sure

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: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: Re: D645 musings Not necessarily. It depends on how much Kodak charges for the imaging array and how much processing horsepower Pentax elects to put behind it. B&H sells Kodak full-frame 14Mpixel cameras for $3500. Given the fact that Pentax

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Can't even blame the spell checker for that. Maybe the excitement of the moment . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/17/05 3:58 PM >>> "Steve Desjardins" <[

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Mark wrote: My guess is between USD 15,000 and 20,000. They're going to try to undercut the Mamiya, but probably won't be able to do so by very much. REPLY: I'm far more optimistic. I think it will cost $6000. Pål

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Rob wrote: If they make it out at that price then all the other comparable cameras will also have come down in price, Pentax don't have some kind of magic price wand. REPLY: Of course Pentax have a magical wand. They have or years sold MF cameras of top quality at half the price of the compet

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the D has a 1.3 crop factor. what is the point of a body designed to be superb at landscapes without a wide enough angle lens to do any landscapes? Herb - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:32 AM Subject:

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Herb wrote: > the article on Luminous Landscape > (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/pie-show.shtml) says competitive > with the price of the Mamiya ZD. since the ZD is slated to list for $12K > USD, it only firms up my assertion that the 645D will come in at a list > price of between

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- Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" Subject: Re: D645 musings b) Isn't it an equally good idea to wait and see if theres wider lenses released along with the camera before one write it off? Even if they don't release any wides (I expect they will, BTW), pe

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quot;Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: Re: D645 musings I'm far more optimistic. I think it will cost $6000.

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when? they haven't announced one. it's another lens to buy as part of the cost. Herb - Original Message - From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:23 AM Subject: Re: D645 musings They can just make a new wide angle, like the 14mm.

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gy). DagT > fra: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > when? they haven't announced one. it's another lens to buy as part of the > cost. > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: >

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- Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" Subject: Re: D645 musings when? they haven't announced one. it's another lens to buy as part of the cost. You are treating this like as if every buyer is starting out fresh and buying into a system. There are a lot of 645 l

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William wrote: > There are a lot of 645 lenses sitting around right now, and a lot of lens > owners who would like a digital body to use them on. And lets not forget the 67 lenses too. They fit a 645 body with full functionality. The 645D will work as a digital solution for 67 system owners as

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I was ready to sell my 67 lenses. I'm keeping them at least until I hear a price for the D645. > William wrote: > > > There are a lot of 645 lenses sitting around right now, and a lot of lens > > owners who would like a digital body to use them on. > > And lets not forget the 67 lenses too.

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- Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And lets not forget the 67 lenses too. They fit a 645 body with full functionality. The 645D will work as a digital solution for 67 system owners as well. And then there are those who think 35mm is whimpy even for digital... I

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On 23 Mar 2005 at 14:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was ready to sell my 67 lenses. I'm keeping them at least until I hear a > price > for the D645. Probably a good idea, it might cost you money selling them at the moment, you could have to pay people to take them :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILL

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On 23 Mar 2005 at 22:42, Jostein wrote: > If they use logic from the *istD/*istDs cameras, the 67 lenses will > have the same compatibility level to 645 as the M an K lenses in the > 35mm realm. Which means a semi-automatic stop-down metering by the > press of a button. Then they'd also have t

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ginal Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: D645 musings They didn't announce the 14mm with the *istD either but it came.

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quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: D645 musings You are treating this like as if every buyer is starting out fresh and buying into a system. There are a lot of 645 lenses sitting around right now, and a lot of lens owners who would like a digital body to use them on.

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- Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" Subject: Re: D645 musings at what price? Rob asked and you weren't one of the ones that answered. if it streets for $6K as Paal hopes, there could be lots. at $12K, there's going to be a lot fewer. if those 645 lenses are

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and if it was $6K instead? Herb... - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: D645 musings I found it pretty easy to justify almost 3 grand for an istD when it hit the Canadian market, as I

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- Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" Subject: Re: D645 musings and if it was $6K instead? Then I would have waited until the price dropped. With the 645 digital, I think waiting to see what they make, and at what price they put on it is saner than getting all piss face

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AM Subject: Re: D645 musings They didn't announce the 14mm with the *istD either but it came.

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On 24 Mar 2005 at 8:06, DagT wrote: > Hey, they have just shown that they don´t even know how the camera will > look. They can easily design a new wide angle before the camera gets > to the market. Yep, all they need is time, cash and personnel. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-95

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På 24. mar. 2005 kl. 09.18 skrev Rob Studdert: On 24 Mar 2005 at 8:06, DagT wrote: Hey, they have just shown that they don´t even know how the camera will look. They can easily design a new wide angle before the camera gets to the market. Yep, all they need is time, cash and personnel. Let´s hope

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Dag, There is an excellent AF 35mm/3.5 for the 645. With the crop factor of 1.3, maybe a 28mm would do the trick. :-) Cheers, Jostein - Original Message - From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: D645 musings På 24. mar

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vel DSLRs from Canon, Nikon, Pentax, and Olympus are basically the same. what's the differentiator when that happens? megapixel and price wars. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:18 AM Subjec

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Herb Chong wrote on 24.03.05 12:34: > the only one of the big 5 to revise their profit forecast upwards is Canon. > there are speculations by financial analysts that as soon as the replacement > for the Nikon D70 is announced, there's going to be the start of the same > price war as we a saw in di

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Dag wrote: > Let´s hope they can get some help from Kodak. A successful 645D would > help them sell more sensors. Based on a press release a couple of years ago (I think it was), I believe this isn't a case of Pentax buying an off-shelf sensor from Kodak. It was said that Pentax and Kodak h

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Herb wrote: > there are speculations by financial analysts that as soon as the replacement > for the Nikon D70 is announced, there's going to be the start of the same > price war as we a saw in digital P&S cameras. the entry level DSLRs from > Canon, Nikon, Pentax, and Olympus are basically th

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D645 earlier? Village Idiot > > - Original Message - > From: "Herb Chong" > Subject: Re: D645 musings > > > > at what price? Rob asked and you weren't one of the ones that answered. if > > it streets for $6K as Paal hopes, there could be lots. at

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Village Idiot wrote: > I was actully looking at ebay and it occured to me that maybe Pentax is too > late coming out with a digital 645. For instance: I understand where you are cominmg from, but please don't post ongoing auctions. Thanks, Kostas

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Sorry, especially since I could have easily posted a closed one to demonstrate the same point. I didn't know or think of that. Village Idiot. > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Village Idiot wrote: > > > I was actully looking at ebay and it occured to me that maybe Pentax is too > late coming out with a

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On 24/3/05, Village Idiot, discombobulated, unleashed: >Sorry, especially since I could have easily posted a closed one to >demonstrate the same point. I didn't know or think of that. HTH Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People,

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On 24 Mar 2005 at 16:50, Village Idiot wrote: > I was actully looking at ebay and it occured to me that maybe Pentax is too > late > coming out with a digital 645. For instance: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3353&item=7503024825&rd=1 > > Could Pentax have retained

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Their picture doesn't constitute a very good advertisement for a "professional photography studio". Perhaps they'd better go back to using film. John On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:14:30 +1000, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 at 16:50, Village Idiot wrote: I was actully look

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On 24 Mar 2005 at 23:31, John Forbes wrote: > Their picture doesn't constitute a very good advertisement for a > "professional photography studio". Perhaps they'd better go back to using > film. There are plenty more examples if you check the closed auctions, this stuff isn't moving like hot

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> -Original Message- > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Replacement for D70 (it will be called D70s and will appear soon) > Both - Nikon and Olympus plan to release > something even chepaer very soon. AFAIK Nikon will call it D50 Konica-Minolta (what a stupid idea combi

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I wasn't insinuating that the poor picture was depressing the price; it was just an aside. If I were a gambling man, I might be tempted to buy some of these bargains and wait for a "DS effect" on MF lenses when the D645 emerges. John On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:40:06 +1000, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PR

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On 25 Mar 2005 at 0:07, John Forbes wrote: > If I were a gambling man, I might be tempted to buy some of these bargains > and > wait for a "DS effect" on MF lenses when the D645 emerges. LOL, I expect you'd be waiting a mighty long time :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-41

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In truth, I had the same thought as John. some of the 645 lenses are relatively inexpensive right now. I expect there will be some price rise. Twenty percent isn't at all unrealistic. And if you can make twenty percent on your money in a year or so, you're doing quite well. Paul On Mar 24, 2005,

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On 24 Mar 2005 at 21:23, Paul Stenquist wrote: > In truth, I had the same thought as John. some of the 645 lenses are > relatively inexpensive right now. I expect there will be some price > rise. Twenty percent isn't at all unrealistic. And if you can make > twenty percent on your money in a ye

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Rob, I don't think you can be sure what will happen when the D645 emerges. There are all sorts of reasons, generally to do with cost and convenience, why people don't use MF as much as 35mm (and now, D-APS). I had a Bronica ETRS for a while, but the problems of getting film developed and pr