Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Jos from Holland
Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos --

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Fernando
You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Jos from Holland
Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Fernando
Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax to do this. My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Fernando fer.p...@gmail.com wrote: My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it Also, for the record, Bibble doesn't either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Jos from Holland
Okay, I will ask my grandson to contact you 50 years from now if he does not get his grandfathers files open! Greetz Jos Fernando wrote: Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Fernando
Touche. With my last breath I will press enter to run that a script right before I die ;-) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Okay, I will ask my grandson to contact you 50 years from now if he does not get his grandfathers files open! Greetz Jos

dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:39:56 -0400 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. I'm not reading well this morning, either. I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files. Lightzone most definitely will open a PEF - I've tried with a K10D and a K100D, but not a K20D. what are

Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Fernando
size On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:39:56 -0400 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry.  I'm not reading well this morning, either.  I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files.  Lightzone

RE: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bran Everseeking n Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:39:56 -0400 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. I'm not reading well this morning, either. I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files. Lightzone most definitely will open a PEF - I've tried with a K10D and a K100D,

Re: K10D Photoshop CS2 - DNG vs PEF

2006-11-24 Thread Lawrence Kwan
Does the RAW format affect the RAW buffer? I.e. are you able to shoot more with PEF than DNG before the buffer fills up? On a related note regarding shooting RAW, someone in dpreview has shown that RAW output, contrary to my belief, is actually affected by the white balance settings.

Re: K10D Photoshop CS2 - DNG vs PEF

2006-11-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I would need to know a lot more about the test procedures to understand what these histograms were representing, never mind their interpretations. Godfrey On Nov 24, 2006, at 1:26 AM, Lawrence Kwan wrote: Does the RAW format affect the RAW buffer? I.e. are you able to shoot more with PEF

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-19 Thread Fred Widall
I just did a couple of quick tests with PEF files generated by my *istDS. The PEF files are approx 10Mb in size. Converting them to DNG (converter v2.4), with loseless comprerssion, reduces that to approx 6Mb. Converting them to PEF, but embedding the PEF, increases the size to approx 16Mb.

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-19 Thread Frantisek
FW Is the loss of some metadata worth a 40% reduction in storage costs ? FW Well I guess that's a decision each of us will make for ourselves. FW I think it is, but I'm still using CDR rather than DVD for my archiving. IIRC somebody here looked into the files, and found out that the PEFs have

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-19 Thread John Francis
Frantisek mused: FW Is the loss of some metadata worth a 40% reduction in storage costs ? FW Well I guess that's a decision each of us will make for ourselves. FW I think it is, but I'm still using CDR rather than DVD for my archiving. IIRC somebody here looked into the files, and found

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Mar 2005 at 10:12, Fred Widall wrote: Is the loss of some metadata worth a 40% reduction in storage costs ? Well I guess that's a decision each of us will make for ourselves. I think it is, but I'm still using CDR rather than DVD for my archiving. I'm not pleased that Pentax botched up

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ahhh, thanks John, Godfrey. I'd not DL'd the new version of DNG. Got it now. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis It's supposedly an option with the version of the DNG converter released at the same time as Version 2.4 of Adobe Camera Raw (the one with DS support). It wasn't in

DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread David Zaninovic
So what is the final verdict on DNG vs PEF ? What do I lose by converting PEF to DNG ? Do I lose any picture information or just metadata, like which lens was used and other things I don't really need. I need size reduction from 13MB to 5MB, that is a huge difference. If I have to keep PEF-s

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread Albano Garcia
you'll not lost nothing and will be able to open it in a far future. But you will not save file size :-( Regards Albano --- David Zaninovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is the final verdict on DNG vs PEF ? What do I lose by converting PEF to DNG ? Do I lose any picture information or just

RE: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
the same images through the DNG converter. I couldn't see any difference. However, don't consider my comments to be indicative of a final verdict. Perhaps more like polling the jury LOL Shel [Original Message] From: David Zaninovic So what is the final verdict on DNG vs PEF ? What do I lose

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:12 AM, David Zaninovic wrote: So what is the final verdict on DNG vs PEF ? What do I lose by converting PEF to DNG ? Do I lose any picture information or just metadata, like which lens was used and other things I don't really need. I need size reduction from 13MB to 5MB

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread pnstenquist
As far as I know, you lose only metadata. I convert some of my less valuable pics to DNG for backup archiving. The really critical ones are saved as PEF. Paul So what is the final verdict on DNG vs PEF ? What do I lose by converting PEF to DNG ? Do I lose any picture information or just

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It's a preference in the DNG Converter v2.4 application. Just check it and it will embed the original PEF file into the DNG output. There is, as you would expect, an Extract command as well to pull out the original PEF files. Godfrey On Mar 18, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: How do

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread John Francis
It's supposedly an option with the version of the DNG converter released at the same time as Version 2.4 of Adobe Camera Raw (the one with DS support). It wasn't in the beta test - just in the release. Shel Belinkoff mused: How do you do that? Shel [Original Message] From:

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
How do you do that? Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi you cannot convert a DNG to a PEF (unless you've embedded the PEF into the DNG, which loses the file-size savings).

Re: DNG vs PEF

2005-03-18 Thread Powell Hargrave
Just to see how well it would work I Zipped 30 DS .pef files. I got a compression of 16%. Not that much but you might get more with D files. Can also be a handy way to keep groups of files together. Powell