Savage
>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:54 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
>You arrogant sod.
>
>Which part of:
>
>"If you don't want people to comment, take it off list."
>
>
this point.
>
>John
>
>
>
>>Tom C.
>>
>>Original Message Follows
>>From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>>Subject: Re: Dealing with eBa
On 10/26/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:02:55 +0100, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Give Kostas a break. He's good people. ;)
>
> Don't you mean Kosta?
>
Yes, Johns, that's exactly what I meant.
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Without cause.
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You arrogant sod.
Which part of
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If you want this to stop, then stop posting yourself. It's quite
simple.
John
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:30 +0
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Scott Loveless wrote:
> Give Kostas a break. He's good people. ;)
Thanks Scott. Forbes goes straight to /dev/null anyway.
Kostas
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wrote:
> Give Kostas a break. He's good people. ;)
Don't you mean Kosta?
John
>
> On 10/26/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It's fairly easy to understand, Kostas, and it isn't crap.
>>
>> And Cotty isn't "f
n Forbes
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:19 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> Whilst you persist in your unpleasant posts, I shall persist, when I
> feel
> like it, to post in response, you impertinent g
Give Kostas a break. He's good people. ;)
On 10/26/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's fairly easy to understand, Kostas, and it isn't crap.
>
> And Cotty isn't "folks", he's Cotty. As English presumably isn't your
> first language, I am sure you will not mind me pointing out that
You arrogant sod.
Which part of:
"If you don't want people to comment, take it off list."
...don't you understand?
By airing this in public you've made it a topic free for anyone to comment on.
Oh and by the way, what exactly was I speculating on in my last message?
Dave
On 10/26/06, J. C. O
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Whilst you persist in your unpleasant posts, I shall persist, when I
feel
like it, to post
ve no
>> Right to be continuing with this
>> Nonsense based on your incorrect
>> "hunches".
>>
>> JCO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> John Forbes
>> Sent:
"hunches".
>
> JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Forbes
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:47 AM
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> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
a no-no on your part.
jco
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Subject: RE: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
I remembered your total refund
Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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You've been carping on about this for a couple of day's now in a
public forum. If you don't want people to comment, take it off list.
Dave
On 10/26/06, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PR
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From: "John Forbes"
Subject: Re: Dealing
It's fairly easy to understand, Kostas, and it isn't crap.
And Cotty isn't "folks", he's Cotty. As English presumably isn't your
first language, I am sure you will not mind me pointing out that a final
"s" usually denotes a plural. As "folk" is a collective noun, it is
impossible to address
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Forbes
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:47 AM
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> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:30:55 +0100, J. C. O
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:30:55 +0100, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ng the truth, the whole truth, and
>> Nothing but the truth. Its damaging when
>> Its not all that.
>> jco
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> William Robb
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:
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From: "John Forbes"
Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> Perhaps our intellectual capabilities are rather different, but I
> don't
> think a double negative is a very difficult concept to grasp. The
&g
: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:24 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom C"
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> &g
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Cotty wrote:
> XXX may be a nutty distant cousin to the devil, but YYY is no angel
> IMO.
Come on folks, what kind of crap is that.
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> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:45:32 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:09:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL P
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:09:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>>
>> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 08:50:02 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>> Subject: Re: Dealing with e
>
> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 08:50:02 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:04:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL P
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:04:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>>
>> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 01:15:02 GMT
>
>> But you are ever the contrarian,
>
> Is that similar to, but not exactly like, a libertarian? I get so
> confused by US po
m. That is a major step forward.
John
> jco
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Forbes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendo
On 26/10/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Look I really don't care if anyone on the list buys
>Stuff from me, what got me so upset is that its
>A personal attack on my character to say my ebay
>Selling is in anyway unfair to anyone. That's my
>Point in the whole matter.
I wouldn'
>
> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 01:15:02 GMT
> But you are ever the contrarian,
Is that similar to, but not exactly like, a libertarian? I get so confused by
US politics.
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Agreed Tom, but the way he's acted/responded with the "aperture
simulator"
convinces me I
ly when he never should have even
Bid if he wanted a perfect lens.
jco
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riginal Message-
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:34:16 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:21 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
I don't think I'm being obtuse. He also had the opportunity to totally
back
out of the deal at no cost to himself. If he didn't do that and
complains
about it la
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:11:22 +0100, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Are both you and him retarded o
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> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
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> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:15:02 +0100
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006
y make you satisfied. It just means you have
ended the dispute.
You are being a little obtuse in ignoring this point.
John
>
> Tom C.
>
> Original Message Follows----
> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> To: &q
; Tom C.
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:15:02
gt; Expect MORE than listed and complain about
> > It if you don't get MORE than listed.
> > He is just being a malicious person for even
> > Starting this issue on the thread and IMHO
> > He had no right to make his initial post the
> > Way he did consi
aracteristically silly, one has left the list,
and the last has left the planet. No guesses as to the identity of that
one.
John
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Pentax-Discus
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:28:56 +0100
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:11:22 +0100, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Are both you and him r
ay he did considering how that deal was
> Handled by both me (good) and him (bad).
>
>
> jco
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:28 AM
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:24:40 +0100, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:24:40 +0100, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Boy, there must be something out there lessoning me. I had a recent deal
> that I was not too happy about. Not the item, but the way the seller was
> acting. In the end it worked out, but I was up in the air about
> feedback
>Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>> My experience with JCO was not a pleasant one, and, because of that, I will
>> not do business with him again. As an eBay buyer - especially one dealing
>> with a fellow list member - I don't want confrontational and accusatory
>> emails. Sh!t happens, and there's no r
Boy, there must be something out there lessoning me. I had a recent deal
that I was not too happy about. Not the item, but the way the seller was
acting. In the end it worked out, but I was up in the air about
feedback. Now this here, and a thread on another list made my think it
through, and I
Of
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> Personally
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From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> The part Shel left out was, that in the end, the transaction was
> handled to
> their mutual sa
ect: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:24:11 -0600
- Original Message -----
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> The part Shel left out was, that in the end, the transaction was
>
- Original Message -
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
> The part Shel left out was, that in the end, the transaction was
> handled to
> their mutual satisfaction.
Define "mutual satisfaction".
If I buy so
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Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
> Personally, I don't think things shared in private email should be
> shared on
> list. It's a basic no-no in Net Etiquette. And I know Shel one
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> My experience with JCO was not a pleasant one, and, because of that, I will
> not do business with him again. As an eBay buyer - especially one dealing
> with a fellow list member - I don't want confrontational and accusatory
> emails. Sh!t happens, and there's no reason n
our total irresponsiblity with regards
To the whole matter and what you posted to the list.
jco
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:50 PM
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e list
about his claim of me being abusive
or not worthy of dealing with.
jco
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:37 PM
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tober 24, 2006 6:00 PM
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When one gets involved in a transaction, one doesn't want to end up with
a
rude seller, or a partial refund. One wants a polite person and a good
item.
The fact that you
Well, I was gonna let this drop. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the
eBay transaction with JCO, but his incessantly rude and abusive posts here
just got me to the point where I felt that, if I showed him that his method
of communication here is similar to what I experienced in doing business
w
ane, slanderous remarks.
>> jco
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> John Francis
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:32 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Deali
's
>> words to be less than gracious sometimes. It's a human failing we
> all
>> fall
>> prey to.
>
> I agree. Shel isn't the most diplomatic person on the list. But at his
>
> worst he is much better than JCO at his best.
>
> John
>
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, 2006 4:38 PM
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So let's see what was actually written.
John
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:33:44 +0100, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> See my last post, it's a fucking lie.
ssage-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:37 PM
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:15:06 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> J
2 PM
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In my view Shel was at fault by not leaving you a neg. I imagine you
have
browbeaten a number of other dissatisfied sellers into behaving the same
way.
John
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:29:43 +0100,
gt; Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:32 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> What's damaging about it, Tom? As far as I can see all that
> Shel did was to suggest that JCOs dispute resolution style was
>
y respond badly or to lob a bomb over the wall?
>
> See how my words cast aspersions as well?
>
> Tom C.
>
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subje
gt; jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Francis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:51 PM
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>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 200
essage Follows----
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> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Dealing with eBay vendors. Was: Re: The JCO survey
> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:02:37 EDT
>
> In a message dated 10/24/2006 9:51:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cuss Mail List
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But it obviously wasn't settled to Shel's satisfaction.
I assume that Shel accepted a compromise, being the least unsatisfactory
option open to him. Had he known what he was going to get, Shel would
not
hav
But it obviously wasn't settled to Shel's satisfaction.
I assume that Shel accepted a compromise, being the least unsatisfactory
option open to him. Had he known what he was going to get, Shel would not
have contracted with JCO in the first place.
And he won't again! That shows how satisfie
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What's damaging about it, Tom? As far as I can see all that
Shel did was to suggest that JCO
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On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 01:02:37PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message da
In a message dated 10/24/2006 11:12:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shel didn't share email with the list. He claimed that when he
raised an issue about an eBay transaction JCO responded with an
abusive email message. That's a very different thing.
Accusing Shel of offence
well at this kind of damaging
> remark, especially when the deal had been consumated to both parties
> satisfaction.
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subj
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 01:02:37PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/24/2006 9:51:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> JCO is an eBay vendor. Vendor reputations are based not only on the
> product they sell, but how they deal with customer service issues
both parties
satisfaction.
Tom C.
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:02:37 EDT
In a message dated 10/24/2006 9:51:28 AM Pa
In a message dated 10/24/2006 9:51:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JCO is an eBay vendor. Vendor reputations are based not only on the
product they sell, but how they deal with customer service issues. If a
vedor treats his custmers like crap ( I am presuming Shel is being
t
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From: "Tim Øsleby"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>
> This said. Based on what I have seen here, I have no reason not to
> make
> business with you.
>
Unless you end
- Original Message -
From: "Tim Øsleby"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>
> This said. Based on what I have seen here, I have no reason not to
> make
> business with you.
>
Unless you end up with a defective product, anyway
> But I do think Shel has a very valid point in his third pa
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