Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-14 Thread P. J. Alling
On 7/12/2012 8:49 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: If the color space for RAW is determined by the sensor associated hardware/software, what does setting the color space on the camera do? It probably affects the

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-13 Thread David Mann
On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:12 AM, George Sinos wrote: There's a lot of over-thinking going on in this thread. Most of it is technically correct and practically insignificant. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Those people would never be my clients. I'd rather pound sod. ;-) On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment about the commercial practice of early Renaissance painting. You should think yourselves lucky your clients

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: Postmaster Larry Colen wrote: For an event that I'm shooting, it was just specified we shoot in raw and, adobe RGB. My understanding was that sRGB and adobe RGB only came into play in converting to JPEG, that RAW was just the raw data off the sensor. Am I more confused than usual?

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Stan Halpin
It probably affects the in-camera translation to jpeg. stan On Jul 12, 2012, at 8:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Postmaster Larry Colen wrote: For an event that I'm shooting, it was just specified we shoot in raw and, adobe RGB. My understanding was that sRGB and adobe RGB only

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Stan Halpin wrote: On Jul 12, 2012, at 8:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Postmaster Larry Colen wrote: For an event that I'm shooting, it was just specified we shoot in raw and, adobe RGB. My understanding was that sRGB and adobe RGB only came into play in converting to JPEG, that

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: If the color space for RAW is determined by the sensor associated hardware/software, what does setting the color space on the camera do? It probably affects the in-camera translation to jpeg. That is correct.

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Loveday
If the color space for RAW is determined by the sensor associated hardware/software, what does setting the color space on the camera do? It probably affects the in-camera translation to jpeg. That is correct. Indeed. However... theoretically, there have been sporadic reports that the

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: Peter Loveday If the color space for RAW is determined by the sensor associated hardware/software, what does setting the color space on the camera do? It probably affects the in-camera translation to jpeg. That is correct. Indeed. However... theoretically, there have been

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: AWB changes the WB every time you move the camera. Every frame requires a different correction. I just set it on daylight so it's consistently wrong by the same amount for every frame. That way I can batch process

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Colorspace is a parameter used in the chroma interpolation phase of the raw conversion process, on the way to an RGB channel file of whatever format. What they're telling you is that they want the deliverables produced with Adobe RGB profile. Most people are confused about the camera settings

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: For an event that I'm shooting, it was just specified we shoot in raw and, adobe RGB. My understanding was that sRGB and adobe RGB only came into play in converting to JPEG, that RAW was just the

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 12, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Colorspace is a parameter used in the chroma interpolation phase of the raw conversion process, on the way to an RGB channel file of whatever format. Are you saying it does, or does not, affect the data in the raw file? What they're

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread George Sinos
Larry - For your purposes, it will not effect the raw data in the image. It will effect the embedded jpg preview image that you see on the camera LCD screen. So any histogram you see on the back of the camera will also be effected because it is generated from the embedded jpeg. For all

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That's why I spend time to get clients to agree on what the *deliverables* will be, rather than how I achieve producing those deliverables. No client tells me how to set my camera, if they insist, I refuse the contract. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Are you saying it does, or does not, affect the data in the raw file? Raw files contains sensor data, metadata describing camera settings and image attributes, and optionally a JPEG preview. Colorspace profile settings affect

RE: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-12 Thread Bob W
I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment about the commercial practice of early Renaissance painting. You should think yourselves lucky your clients don't specify that you grind the colours yourself and use ultramarine at 2 florins the ounce on the Virgin's cloak, and ultramarine at one

Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-11 Thread Larry Colen
For an event that I'm shooting, it was just specified we shoot in raw and, adobe RGB. My understanding was that sRGB and adobe RGB only came into play in converting to JPEG, that RAW was just the raw data off the sensor. Am I more confused than usual? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-11 Thread George Sinos
Hi Larry. There's no color space in a raw file. You select the color space when you turn it into a jpeg. That's another reason to shoot raw files. You can make sRGB for the web and consumer prints, adobeRGB for better ink jet printers, and ProPhoto RGB for imaginary devices that may exist in

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-11 Thread Darren Addy
You can make sRGB for the web and consumer prints, adobeRGB for better ink jet printers, and ProPhoto RGB for imaginary devices that may exist in the future. That was awesome, George. Gotta be in the quotes section of next year's Annual. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-11 Thread Postmaster
Larry Colen wrote: For an event that I'm shooting, it was just specified we shoot in raw and, adobe RGB. My understanding was that sRGB and adobe RGB only came into play in converting to JPEG, that RAW was just the raw data off the sensor. Am I more confused than usual? Nope. You're quite

Re: Do sRGB and adobe RGB make any difference in raw files?

2012-07-11 Thread Roman Melihhov
The only difference in size makes whether you chose DNG or PEF. PEF seemed to be slightly smaller than DNG but its not a rule... -- roman.blakout.net K-5 × DA 16-45 × DA* 50-135 × FA 50 × FA 35-70 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net