> >> frank theriault wrote:
> >>> Holy shit, guys, I'm just taking fuckin' pictures, you know?
> >>
> >> If you were, your blog would have many more visitors.
> >
> > Yes, but at what cost?
> >
> >
> You could probably hires some amateur porno actors for a couple of
> bucks a day.
>
Graydon wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:41:26AM +, mike wilson scripsit:
> > William Robb wrote:
> > > I think that universities have a lot to answer for.
> >
> > Indeed. Satan is not blue, as any fule no.
>
> Dante put Satan frozen up to his hips in a vast lake of ice. Q
From: pnstenquist
"John Francis" wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:12:48PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
There's a continuum of purpose for photographic images. That
purpose
matters in so far as the ethics of manipulation. Context is
important.
At the PJ end, manipulation of the imag
- "John Francis" wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:12:48PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> >
> > There's a continuum of purpose for photographic images. That purpose
>
> > matters in so far as the ethics of manipulation. Context is
> important.
> >
> > At the PJ end, manipulation of the ima
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:12:48PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
>
> There's a continuum of purpose for photographic images. That purpose
> matters in so far as the ethics of manipulation. Context is important.
>
> At the PJ end, manipulation of the image is UN-ETHICAL, although most
> images will
From: "William Robb"
- Original Message -
From: "Graydon"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
I'm not a big believer in the actual existence of a consensus about
reality.
Step out into the street
These kinds of sophomoric discussions make my brain run out through my
nostrils.
MARK !
Looks like we hit the mother lode here.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspecti
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:07:39PM -0700, Joseph McAllister scripsit:
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 08:59 , Graydon wrote:
>> the landlord was a small church
>
> Small enough to get in to collect the rent, I presume.
Religiously. :)
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On Mar 12, 2009, at 08:59 , Graydon wrote:
the
landlord was a small church
Small enough to get in to collect the rent, I presume.
:-)
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On 12/3/09, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Talking of which, does the Allingator still walk amongst us?
he's gone very quiet - highly unusual!
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On 3/12/09, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gonz"
> Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
> (was:PESO:Church tower))
>
>
>
> > True, you did say darkroom vs photoshop. I inadvertently answered you
>
2009/3/11 ann sanfedele :
>> If you want truth you need to witness every event first-hand and draw your
>> own conclusions.
>
>
> Ooops. Your eyes (and your history) are as much a camera as the physical,
> mechanical tool in your hands is,
> and no more and no less reliable, most of the time.
>
>
- Original Message -
From: "Graydon"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective
control(was:PESO:Church tower))
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:24:36AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
- Original Message - From: "Graydon"
I'm not a b
2009/3/12 Graydon :
> That's the refutation for an assertion that there is no objective
> reality, isn't it?
Get real, mate. :-)
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:24:36AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> - Original Message - From: "Graydon"
>> I'm not a big believer in the actual existence of a consensus about
>> reality.
>
> Step out into the street in front of a moving bus.
> We'll see if we can reach a consensus about the
- Original Message -
From: "Gonz"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
True, you did say darkroom vs photoshop. I inadvertently answered you
when I meant to answer the "photos do not lie" issue.
And hea
- Original Message -
From: "Graydon"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
I'm not a big believer in the actual existence of a consensus about
reality.
Step out into the street in front of a moving bus.
We&#
True, you did say darkroom vs photoshop. I inadvertently answered you
when I meant to answer the "photos do not lie" issue.
On 3/11/09, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gonz"
> Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspecti
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:41:26AM +, mike wilson scripsit:
> William Robb wrote:
> > I think that universities have a lot to answer for.
>
> Indeed. Satan is not blue, as any fule no.
Dante put Satan frozen up to his hips in a vast lake of ice. Quite
possible he's blue by now.
Try
William Robb wrote:
> I think that universities have a lot to answer for.
>
> William Robb
Indeed. Satan is not blue, as any fule no.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Graydon"
> Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective co
William Robb wrote:
> good Republican
Talking of which, does the Allingator still walk amongst us?
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- Original Message -
From: "Gonz"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
Yes but...
It's easier to tell a lie with Photoshop than it is to tell a lie in the
the
darkroom.
Or, I suppose, it's easier to tell
On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:04, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Another entertaining & eloquent piece of prose from Bob W.
:-)
Bob never uses either too many words, or words too complicated.
I strive for the absence of superfluous loquacity.
Eschew obfuscation.
Son of a bitch... that's precis
On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:39, Bob W wrote:
I strive for the absence of superfluous loquacity.
Eschew obfuscation, man.
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gonz"
> Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
> (was:PESO:Church tower))
>
>
>> I partially disagree. Virtually anything you can do in ph
I think that universities have a lot to answer for.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: "Graydon"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:51:20AM +0100, AlunFoto scripsit:
A photograph is
- Original Message -
From: "Gonz"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
I partially disagree. Virtually anything you can do in photoshop you can
do
with film. Multiple exposures, filters (look at what ND or graduat
> >
> > I strive for the absence of superfluous loquacity.
> >
>
> Bob,
> Where the heck is the city of Loqua?
> Jostein
not far from Propinquity
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than a
performance of Faustus is a lie.
Bob
-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
Behalf Of DagT
Sent: 10 March 2009 23:12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective
control (was:PESO:Church tower))
I ag
I partially disagree. Virtually anything you can do in photoshop you can do
with film. Multiple exposures, filters (look at what ND or graduated
filters can do, or polarizers), perspective lenses, fish-eye lenses,
or I can even print out a cutout of myself and add it to the set,
making it look li
Kirkland Ramsey III?
He's out to dinner with Cotty and anti-Cotty tonight.
Perhaps he'll document the energy released.
Regards, Bob S.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "frank theriault"
> Subject: Re: Et
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective
control(was:PESO:Church tower))
The New York Times spent eight years looking for pics of Bush that made
him look bad. It's standard practice for American news
The New York Times spent eight years looking for pics of Bush that
made him look bad. It's standard practice for American newspapers on
both sides of the political divide. Unfortunately.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Gonz wrote:
On 3/10/09, Christian wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Adding or r
Kind of the opposite of this recent photo:
http://freepressinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/barack.jpg
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Gonz wrote:
> On 3/10/09, Christian wrote:
>> Bob W wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Adding or removing elements breaks the causal relation between the pictu
On 3/10/09, Christian wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Adding or removing elements breaks the causal relation between the picture
> > and the subject and adds an entirely different dimension to
> > the truth-value of the picture,
> >
>
> What about choosing which elements to include by a simple
- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
Interestingly, I posted this almost nine years ago in reply to that
penultimate Presbeterian, Matt Grene
Who would the ultimate Pr
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM, William Robb wrote:
> Interestingly, I posted this almost nine years ago in reply to that
> penultimate Presbeterian, Matt Grene
Who would the ultimate Presbyterian be then?
cheers,
frank (not a Presbyterian, never will be - no offense intended to Presbyterians
Bob W wrote:
Another entertaining & eloquent piece of prose from Bob W.
:-)
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2009/3/11 Bob W :
>
> I strive for the absence of superfluous loquacity.
>
Bob,
Where the heck is the city of Loqua?
Jostein
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> Another entertaining & eloquent piece of prose from Bob W.
>
> :-)
>
>
> Bob never uses either too many words, or words too complicated.
>
I strive for the absence of superfluous loquacity.
Bob
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Hear! Hear! Bob puts it very well. Cheers, Christine
- Original Message -
From: "Bob W"
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'"
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective
control(was:PESO:Church tower))
Pentax needs to release some new equipment
Either that or some people need to go out and use their camera.
Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message -
From: "William Robb"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Ch
Christian wrote:
There are a lot of people that get all high-and-mighty about removing
or adding an element in post-production (photoshopping) but say
nothing of the above example when both are deliberate acts of
manipulation. One is "ethical" becuase there was no pixel-moving, the
othe
- Original Message -
From: "DagT"
Subject: Re: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
I agree with Christian, and maybe it´s time to show these again:
http://photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=366144
Scanned from slides and not
Bob W wrote:
Adding or removing elements breaks the causal relation between the picture
and the subject and adds an entirely different dimension to
the truth-value of the picture,
What about choosing which elements to include by a simple step to the
left or right before tripping the shutter?
- Original Message -
From: "Bob W"
Subject: RE: Ethics of Manipulation (was: Re: Perspective control
(was:PESO:Church tower))
Bullshit.
Interestingly, I posted this almost nine years ago in reply to that
penultimate Presbeterian, Matt Grene
"Photographs by th
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> I agree with Christian, and maybe it´s time to show these
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