I would expect an official NASA site to have it. However it may not be
in a form thats easy to winnow out. Most of these arguments are based
on statistical models. Most non-statisticians simply accept the
output. To know what's being done with the data you have to know the
base assumption
nt of cities than in cleaner rural environments.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> The Chinese vote with their feet. Those in villages move to Shanghai,
> (or Hong Kong if they can), to get factory jobs.
mposed on them by their disgusting leadership, with
> a tiny fraction of a percentage of Chinese oligarchs getting fat on
> the profits?
>
> Bob
>
>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> B
- Original Message -
From: "keith_w"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> Such hubris, to think puny humans can have an effect on global weather
> systems GLOBALLY.
>
Every year in south east Saskatchewan, we have 2000 pound cattle brought to
their knees by
nst this are the polluters themselves,
> who don't suffer from their filth and crap anyway, and stand to lose
> some of their $$$ billions. Tough luck on them.
>
> Bob
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT
P. J. Alling wrote:
> Actually CO2 is a lousy greenhouse gas. The really strong greenhouse
> gas is water vapor, (partly because there's so much of it in the
> atmosphere). It's just much easier to model CO2 which has much less
> complex interactions. However climate change models based on CO
Actually CO2 is a lousy greenhouse gas. The really strong greenhouse
gas is water vapor, (partly because there's so much of it in the
atmosphere). It's just much easier to model CO2 which has much less
complex interactions. However climate change models based on CO2
studies are so flawed as
g it imposed on them by their disgusting leadership, with
a tiny fraction of a percentage of Chinese oligarchs getting fat on
the profits?
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> Sent: 17 February 2008 11:27
> To:
I've heard that argument, but the facts are a bit wrong. The history of
industrialization in the US North East shows that real environmental
progress started long before the enactment of any legislation with
teeth. The mills and factories moved to places where unskilled labor
was less expensi
keith_w wrote:
[...]
> That man can do a damned thing about changing the course of it's
> progression or it's magnitude is just so much hogwash, and cannot be
> supported.
> Not MY words, the words of many renown scientists.
>
> Such hubris, to think puny humans can have an effect on weather
On 17/02/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> Anyone who remembers what
>British cities were like before the Clean Air Act must know what a
>difference it made; even better results are likely to accrue from a
>global clean-up, whether it saves the planet or not.
And after the Olympic games in
ruary 2008 05:00
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-wa
> rming.html
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/1
> 8/wsun18.xml
> http://www.bad
>
> On Feb 17, 2008 2:00 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But it's just a crackpot theory. It's not like they're ALL
> scientists.
> > You know, like us.
>
> I've got a B.Sc in B.S. from the University of Kegford, the PDML is
> rich sourse for research.
>
I'm convinced that
On Feb 17, 2008 2:00 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But it's just a crackpot theory. It's not like they're ALL scientists.
> You know, like us.
I've got a B.Sc in B.S. from the University of Kegford, the PDML is
rich sourse for research.
Cheers,
Dave
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 8:18 PM, keith_w wrote:
>
>> That man can do a damned thing about changing the course of it's
>> progression or it's magnitude is just so much hogwash, and cannot be
>> supported.
>> Not MY words, the words of many renown scientists.
>
> Please list
On Feb 16, 2008, at 8:18 PM, keith_w wrote:
> Not MY words, the words of many renown scientists.
Please list their names.
G
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William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "keith_w"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
>> William Robb wrote:
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jack Davis"
>>> Subject: Re: Global wa
Bob Sullivan wrote:
> (I'll bet the pollution is mostly in the creation and disposal of
> Prius batteries - life cycle costing)
> Regards, Bob S.
Along with the mining of the zinc, the shipping it half way around the
world for refining, shipping it again half way around the world for
battery ma
I read the original article. That is exactly correct,
and its validity is much debated.
Rick
--- Bob Sullivan wrote:
> (I'll bet the pollution is mostly in the
> creation and disposal of
> Prius batteries - life cycle costing)
_
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Date: 2008/01/29 Tue PM 10:00:01 GMT
>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>>>> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2008 4:20 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
o your 'old' English spellings!
> Regards, Bob S.
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 3:14 AM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2008/01/29 Tue PM 10:00:01 GMT
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> > Date: 2008/01/29 Tue PM 10:00:01 GMT
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> > Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2008 4:20 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Plethora of numbe
2008/1/30, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If it isn't suspect, it's not science.
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> From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/01/30 Wed AM 03:49:10 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
> If you have enough money you can be excused for no
>
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/01/30 Wed AM 03:42:06 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
> I've heard the described as indulgences and depending on what they're
> bas
>
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/01/29 Tue PM 10:00:01 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 4:20 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> &g
If you have enough money you can be excused for not being green.
Kenneth Waller
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From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Gl
y already are.
>>
>
> Yeah, I think its called carbon credits !
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
>
>> In a mess
>OTOH, I am with frank on capitalism, someone will jump right in on making
> money on "going green." They already are.
Yeah, I think its called carbon credits !
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subje
On 1/29/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 2008 3:57 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > There's two issues with hybrids from an ecological point of view. The
> > first is that batteries other than Lead-Acid are very unfriendly to
> > make, particularly in la
On Jan 29, 2008 3:57 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's two issues with hybrids from an ecological point of view. The
> first is that batteries other than Lead-Acid are very unfriendly to
> make, particularly in large quantities. Lots of pollution from the
> manufacture and dispo
On Jan 29, 2008 4:20 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Plethora of numbers and graphs and statistics, not dirth...
> (You liberal arts guys are supposed to know about words, not us
> math/science geeks!)
> (I'll bet the pollution is mostly in the creation and disposal of
> Prius batteri
In a message dated 1/29/2008 10:35:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Those are generalities not facts, based on the rosy predictions of
"experts" who either don't know better or worse yet don't care. Lets
actually look at the expected results as predicted, (or more fo
P. J. Alling wrote:
> Those are generalities not facts, based on the rosy predictions of
> "experts" who either don't know better or worse yet don't care. Lets
> actually look at the expected results as predicted, (or more for that
> matter look at the actual results as predicted for actions al
Plethora of numbers and graphs and statistics, not dirth...
(You liberal arts guys are supposed to know about words, not us
math/science geeks!)
(I'll bet the pollution is mostly in the creation and disposal of
Prius batteries - life cycle costing)
Regards, Bob S.
On Jan 29, 2008 1:39 PM, frank t
frank theriault wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 4:21 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The only way to achieve the goals that are supposedly needed are to
>> effectively remove 3rd world industrialization while also massively
>> reducing 1st world emissions. Effectively you'd need to shut dow
On 1/29/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 2008 1:30 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Those are generalities not facts, based on the rosy predictions of
> > "experts" who either don't know better or worse yet don't care. Lets
> > actually look at the expecte
2008/1/29, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sorry, I used to be one of those environmentalists, the disillusioned
> idealists are harder on the movement than those who never cared. I used
> to care. Now I'm just pissed off.
In a way I'm sorry to hear that, Peter. I recognise the sentiment fro
On Jan 29, 2008 1:30 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those are generalities not facts, based on the rosy predictions of
> "experts" who either don't know better or worse yet don't care. Lets
> actually look at the expected results as predicted, (or more for that
> matter look at the
Those are generalities not facts, based on the rosy predictions of
"experts" who either don't know better or worse yet don't care. Lets
actually look at the expected results as predicted, (or more for that
matter look at the actual results as predicted for actions already taken
and what actual
Sorry, I used to be one of those environmentalists, the disillusioned
idealists are harder on the movement than those who never cared. I used
to care. Now I'm just pissed off.
AlunFoto wrote:
> Peter,
>
> When you can get _that_ agitated by a mild word "hoax", said in jest,
> and go on to call
On Jan 29, 2008 9:59 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's only cheaper while you have an ample supply of cheap materials to
> waste. With oil, this is something that will change over the next decade as
> it gets scarcer in North America, and more difficult to extract from the
> Mus
In a message dated 1/28/2008 12:22:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I know I shouldn't, but I must:
Okay, tell me, what horrible things would happen if the global warming
fanatics are wrong? (BTW, using the word "fanatics" is rather
telling, no?)
Let's see, we'd lowe
>> "Holy crusaders of mother Gaia"...
It is a religion to some.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>I found Peter's argument ve
In a message dated 1/28/2008 6:07:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080128154517
^^^ Ice structures can take amazing forms. Due to extremely warm winter
only ice forms I'd seen today were these ice lolipops. Any snow or cold
in your c
ge -
> From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
> > Adam,
> > Didn't say dirty isn't wasteful, just it's cheaper...less energy, heating,
> > etc.
>
> It's only cheaper while you have an ample supply of
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> Adam,
> Didn't say dirty isn't wasteful, just it's cheaper...less energy, heating,
> etc.
It's only cheaper while you have an ample supply of cheap materials
You're right about the threshold for this list, Paul... :-)
I just found the excitement a bit out off proportion to the initiating term...
Jostein
2008/1/29, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I found Peter's argument very credible. And the descriptor you cite
> below is quite mild as name ca
I found Peter's argument very credible. And the descriptor you cite
below is quite mild as name calling goes. Particularly for this list:-).
Paul
On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:34 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
> Peter,
>
> When you can get _that_ agitated by a mild word "hoax", said in jest,
> and go on to call ev
Peter,
When you can get _that_ agitated by a mild word "hoax", said in jest,
and go on to call everyone what you do, it doesn't lend much
credibility to your arguments.
"Holy crusaders of mother Gaia"... Sorry, Peter. Calm down.
Best,
Jostein
2008/1/29, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Their
Not in the long run it isn't. Cheaper to build dirty, but clean pays
for itself long-term. Something that many large industrial operations
discovered much to their surprise when forced to go clean. Inco is a
notable case here.
-Adam
On 1/28/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam,
> Di
Adam,
Didn't say dirty isn't wasteful, just it's cheaper...less energy, heating, etc.
Regards, Bob S.
On Jan 28, 2008 8:49 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/28/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Frank,
> > I'm a science/math kind of guy.
> > I believe in something calle
On 1/28/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank,
> I'm a science/math kind of guy.
> I believe in something called the 2nd law of thermodynamics and entropy.
> It says clean will never easier/cheaper/faster/less costly, though it
> may be better.
> No brag, just fact.
> Regards, Bob S.
Frank,
I'm a science/math kind of guy.
I believe in something called the 2nd law of thermodynamics and entropy.
It says clean will never easier/cheaper/faster/less costly, though it
may be better.
No brag, just fact.
Regards, Bob S.
On Jan 28, 2008 3:12 PM, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
Roman: The color is terrific!!! Composition very nice. I like them both
very much. Compelling subject and I like your photo title. Cheers,
Christine
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From: "Roman Melihhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:57 AM
Subject
frank theriault wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 4:51 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yes fanatics. To reduce the "carbon footprint" to the extent required
>> to actually reverse the warming trend, (the much touted Kyoto Protocols
>> wouldn't even come close, and the estimated short te
On 1/28/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 4:21 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > The only way to achieve the goals that are supposedly needed are to
> > effectively remove 3rd world industrialization while also massively
> > reducing 1st world emissio
On 1/28/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I don't think that wind and solar power are the
> dead-ends that you paint them out to be. I don't think wind-farms are
> the answer, nor do I think that acres and acres of solar panels out in
> the desert are the answe
Their solutions are not necessarily correct either.. I should know
better than give an inch in this debate. The holy crusaders of mother
Gaia don't seem to take human suffering, except for their own, and
sometimes not even that, into account. If the suffering is far enough
away, or doesn't c
- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> Well then, since the problem is insoluable, we should just keep living
> the same lifestyles we are now, developing countries should continue
> their march toward our decadence
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> No, I'm in the rational group. Hence I'll leave it at that.
>
Funny, that's where I am too.
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On Jan 28, 2008 4:51 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes fanatics. To reduce the "carbon footprint" to the extent required
> to actually reverse the warming trend, (the much touted Kyoto Protocols
> wouldn't even come close, and the estimated short term loss in GNP in
> the US to imp
On Jan 28, 2008 4:21 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The only way to achieve the goals that are supposedly needed are to
> effectively remove 3rd world industrialization while also massively
> reducing 1st world emissions. Effectively you'd need to shut down most
> of the global econo
Yes fanatics. To reduce the "carbon footprint" to the extent required
to actually reverse the warming trend, (the much touted Kyoto Protocols
wouldn't even come close, and the estimated short term loss in GNP in
the US to implement those would probably bring on a Global Recession, if
we actual
No, I'm in the rational group. Hence I'll leave it at that.
Jack
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
> > The anti "chicken lit
P.J. Alling wrote:
> I hate this use of the word Hoax. A hoax doesn't harm people, except
> maybe the pride of the gullible. If the global warming fanatics are
> wrong, then many people will be harmed by their actions. If they're
> right then serious actions should be taken, though not unnecessa
On 1/28/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 2:29 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hate this use of the word Hoax. A hoax doesn't harm people, except
> > maybe the pride of the gullible. If the global warming fanatics are
> > wrong, then many people wi
On Jan 28, 2008 3:42 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank,
> I shouldn't, but...
>
> So I'm in the 3rd world, not enjoying the nice standard of living you
> have in Toronto.
> I'd like indoor plumbing, a clean/warm/dry place to sleep, and enough to eat.
> You guys burned all this fos
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> The anti "chicken little" group.
>
You mean the group that is to self serving to be anything other than narrow
minded?
William Robb
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Roman Melihhov wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080128154517
>
> ^^^ Ice structures can take amazing forms. Due to extremely warm winter
> only ice forms I'd seen today were these ice lolipops. Any snow or cold
> in your country? Pictures greatly appreciated and your comments welcome
>
Frank,
I shouldn't, but...
So I'm in the 3rd world, not enjoying the nice standard of living you
have in Toronto.
I'd like indoor plumbing, a clean/warm/dry place to sleep, and enough to eat.
You guys burned all this fossil fuel, did all this pollution to raise
your lifestyles.
Now you want to pro
You're right, it's mostly a win-win situation. But we do have to be careful not
to enact legislation or controls that cause economic chaos. If for example, the
west adheres to strict industrial standards and China does not, we could see a
recession that will make current problems seem miniscule
The anti "chicken little" group.
Jack
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "keith_w"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
> > William Robb wrote:
> >> - Original Mess
On Jan 28, 2008 8:57 AM, Roman Melihhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080128154517
>
> ^^^ Ice structures can take amazing forms. Due to extremely warm winter
> only ice forms I'd seen today were these ice lolipops. Any snow or cold
> in your country? Pictures greatl
We'd extend the human life expectancy and Social Security funds would
run out.(?)
Jack
--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 2:29 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I hate this use of the word Hoax. A hoax doesn't harm people,
> except
> > maybe the pri
- Original Message -
From: "keith_w"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> William Robb wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jack Davis"
>> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>>
>>
>>> Very
On Jan 28, 2008 2:29 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate this use of the word Hoax. A hoax doesn't harm people, except
> maybe the pride of the gullible. If the global warming fanatics are
> wrong, then many people will be harmed by their actions. If they're
> right then serious
I hate this use of the word Hoax. A hoax doesn't harm people, except
maybe the pride of the gullible. If the global warming fanatics are
wrong, then many people will be harmed by their actions. If they're
right then serious actions should be taken, though not unnecessarily the
ones they prop
William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
>> Very interesting! I think Al Gore would like to see this as further
>> proof of global warming. ;-)
> Good God, all you people ha
I like the first lolipop, but I'd clone out the OOF blob along the bottom
edge.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message -
From: "Roman Melihhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> http://roman.blakout.
That's what you get for opening your eyes, Scott.
Jack
--- Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jack Davis"
> > Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> >
> >
&g
Morning, Bill.
Jack
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
> > Very interesting! I think Al Gore would like to see this as further
> > pr
William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
>
>
>> Very interesting! I think Al Gore would like to see this as further
>> proof of global warming. ;-)
>
> Good God, all you pe
Nice shot. Interesting effect.
Here in Michigan US, we've had a rather cold and very snowy winter. We could
use a bit of warming.
Seriously, while climate change is a reality, the difference thus far is
negligible. What you're seeing is probably just a normal cycle. For as long as
I can remem
Roman wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080128154517
>
> ^^^ Ice structures can take amazing forms. Due to extremely warm winter
> only ice forms I'd seen today were these ice lolipops. Any snow or cold
> in your country? Pictures greatly appreciated and your comments welcome
> as always.
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
> Very interesting! I think Al Gore would like to see this as further
> proof of global warming. ;-)
Good God, all you people have to do is open your eyes.
William Robb
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Very interesting! I think Al Gore would like to see this as further
proof of global warming. ;-)
Jack
--- Roman Melihhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080128154517
>
> ^^^ Ice structures can take amazing forms. Due to extremely warm
> winter
> only ice forms I'd
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080128154517
^^^ Ice structures can take amazing forms. Due to extremely warm winter
only ice forms I'd seen today were these ice lolipops. Any snow or cold
in your country? Pictures greatly appreciated and your comments welcome
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