Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: > >> mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>David Savage wrote: >>> Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular connection to the LCD in the viewfinder? >>> >>>It's likely to be a surface mount item these d

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-25 Thread mike wilson
David Savage wrote: Thanks Mike & Mark. Electronics really isn't my thing. I know just enough to be dangerous :-) Dave I would be very careful about crediting me with any more capability than yourself.. 8-)) On 9/24/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: mike wilson <[EMAIL P

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-25 Thread mike wilson
Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Savage wrote: Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular connection to the LCD in the viewfinder? It's likely to be a surface mount item these days. And the display will consist of a single unit LED de

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-25 Thread David Mann
On Sep 24, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Cotty wrote: PS I have to say, I find flashing lights annoying as well. Shame the pentaprism can't be removed, you could access the annoyance immediately Anything can be removed... it's putting it back together that's difficult. - Dave

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >But Shel, might not mind. >(I didn't think about multiplexed lines until your earlier post reminded >me). LOL. I didn't think about Shel not minding until I read *your* post! >Mark Roberts wrote: > >>"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread P. J. Alling
But Shel, might not mind. (I didn't think about multiplexed lines until your earlier post reminded me). Mark Roberts wrote: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the circuit is on the surface of that board the line can be cut with a razor blade. (I wouldn't want to attempt it eve

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread P. J. Alling
I didn't think about using a 4 line buss until I read Dave Savages post. Nevermind. P. J. Alling wrote: If the circuit is on the surface of that board the line can be cut with a razor blade. (I wouldn't want to attempt it even if I knew which line it was). Mark Roberts wrote: mike wils

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If the circuit is on the surface of that board the line can be cut with >a razor blade. (I wouldn't want to attempt it even if I knew which line >it was). Yes, but since it's likely a multiplexed line, you'll eliminate all the segments that rely on th

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread graywolf
Simply rewrite the firmware . graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Resistance is futile? It's still an stupid setup, imo. Just as not being able to turn of the green focus confirmation light. Afte

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread P. J. Alling
If the circuit is on the surface of that board the line can be cut with a razor blade. (I wouldn't want to attempt it even if I knew which line it was). Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Savage wrote: Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting t

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread David Savage
It's good to know. I just don't understand it that well. :-) I'm more of a lathe & micrometer kinda' guy. Not soldering irons & oscilloscopes. Dave On 9/25/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Thanks Mike & Mark. > > > >Electronics really isn

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Resistance is futile? It's still an stupid setup, imo. Just as not being able to turn of the green focus confirmation light. After all, the beeps and bells can be turned off, the red focus indicators can be turned off ... oh, well, I'm beginning to sound like JCO. Better go make some pix. Shel

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes. David Savage wrote: Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular connection to the LCD in the viewfinder? Dave On 9/24/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from showin

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thanks Mike & Mark. > >Electronics really isn't my thing. I know just enough to be dangerous :-) So you probably don't need to know that the data sent to the all-in-one display is probably sent on two busses, the *combination* of high and low being what ac

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread David Savage
Thanks Mike & Mark. Electronics really isn't my thing. I know just enough to be dangerous :-) Dave On 9/24/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >David Savage wrote: > > > >> Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular > >> con

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread John Forbes
I'm sure Shel will soon get used to it. He's coming from a world that Oskar Barnack would have found familiar to the world of ultra-tech. He'll adapt with a little time. John On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:39:10 +0100, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >David Savage wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular >> connection to the LCD in the viewfinder? > >It's likely to be a surface mount item these days. And the display will consist of a single unit LED device with all the va

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread mike wilson
David Savage wrote: Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular connection to the LCD in the viewfinder? Dave It's likely to be a surface mount item these days. On 9/24/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Shel, Our paths are similar. The LX was the most contemporary camera I had used prior to purchasing an *istD. I found the viewfinder information a bit disconcerting at first, particularly the flash indicator that you mentioned. However, after using the camera for awhile I forgot that it was

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread David Savage
Wouldn't it be more a matter of disconnecting the particular connection to the LCD in the viewfinder? Dave On 9/24/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from > > showing in the finder? Try as I mi

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread mike wilson
Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from showing in the finder? Try as I might, when the light is low, the durned arrow appears and sometime flashes on and off. I've gotta be missing some function or feature. If you are not too bothered abou

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: knows what's best for the photographer. Feh! Having these things in the finder is like a poke in the eye! What, prey tell, might the reasoning be behind this behavior? I think we should ask JCO. Kostas

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'm used to the empty Leica, >K-series, and MX finders. Now hang on - the MX *does* have the aperture window above the frame! It took me weeks before I could peel off the tape.. ;-) PS I have to say, I find flashing lights annoying

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
In a short time, you'll likely forget these indicators even exist. I have to consciously remember to look at them now to check what their behavior is. I have to remember to look at the shutter speed and such too. I find our ability for selective vision is very adaptable... ;-) Godfrey On

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
The camera is your friend... Shel Belinkoff wrote: It's still annoying and it still hoovers. With all the features, functions, modes, buttons, and dials on these wunderkameras, you'd think it would be a simple matter to completely turn off the damned flashing arrow. Likewise the green focus i

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bill ... I suppose there's some truth to that. Since I've come to this camera directly from cameras that have little or nothing in the finder, this is probably a bigger deal for me than for those who have transitioned to the newest cameras through models like the PZ-1p, ZX-5n, and other camer

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS It's still annoying and it still hoovers. With all the features, functions, modes, buttons, and dials on these wunderkameras, you'd think it would be a simple matter to

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
It's still annoying and it still hoovers. With all the features, functions, modes, buttons, and dials on these wunderkameras, you'd think it would be a simple matter to completely turn off the damned flashing arrow. Likewise the green focus indicator. But n! In this case the camera knows wh

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread John Francis
You only get the flashing arrow if you're asking the camera to pick a shutter speed. If you set the shutter speed yourself (by choosing either shutter priority or manual exposure modes) you get no arrow. On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 04:38:25PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Same thing on the D, huh

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Same thing on the D, huh ... that's just plain stupid in addition to hoovering and being effin' annoying. Shel "Am I paranoid or perceptive?" > [Original Message] > From: P. J. Alling > I don't think you can. But if you find a way let me know maybe it'll > work on the D. > > Shel Belinkof

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think you can. But if you find a way let me know maybe it'll work on the D. Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from showing in the finder? Try as I might, when the light is low, the durned arrow appears and sometime flashes on and

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 23, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: On the *istD, the arrow only flashes when using a mode where the camera set the shutter speed - to warn you of hand holdability. So if you are in Program or Aperture Priority, it flashes. If you are in Shutter Priority or Manual, the camera figu

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'd do it in a heartbeat if I could figure out how to get ~inside~ the finder. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Cotty > >OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from > >showing in the finder? > Er, the same tape one uses to cover up the brand name on the front?

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Shel, On the *istD, the arrow only flashes when using a mode where the camera set the shutter speed - to warn you of hand holdability. So if you are in Program or Aperture Priority, it flashes. If you are in Shutter Priority or Manual, the camera figures you know that you set the shutter s

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: >OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from >showing in the finder? Try as I might, when the light is low, the durned >arrow appears and sometime flashes on and off. I've gotta be missing some >function or featur

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That really hoovers! Shel > [Original Message] > From: Adam Maas > You don't. It comes on whenever the Camera thinks you need flash or > fill-flash. > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from > > showing in the finder?

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
There is no way to disable the 'flash required' warning arrow, just like there's no way to disable the green focus indicator. Just ignore them. ;-) Godfrey On Sep 23, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from showing in t

Re: Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Adam Maas
You don't. It comes on whenever the Camera thinks you need flash or fill-flash. I ignore it completely (Which has led me to miss a shot or two due to an uncharged flash, especially in my Nikon days). -Adam. Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arr

Goofy Flashing Flash Arrow in DS

2005-09-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
OK, I'm lost ... how does one turn completely off the flash arrow from showing in the finder? Try as I might, when the light is low, the durned arrow appears and sometime flashes on and off. I've gotta be missing some function or feature. Shel