Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 2, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Based on observation only, the K20 metering appears to be more > accurate for RAW exposures than is that of the K10. I frequently find > that exposures require no adjustment in white point of black point. I > look at different values anyway but

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Based on observation only, the K20 metering appears to be more accurate for RAW exposures than is that of the K10. I frequently find that exposures require no adjustment in white point of black point. I look at different values anyway but sometimes return to right at default for exposure br

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 2, 2008, at 1:37 AM, Davis, Lee wrote: > Are you saying that, regardless of whether you have the camera set to > JPEG or RAW, the meter readout will always be the same for the given > scene BUT that using RAW really needs extra exposure, Yes. > as if RAW and > JPEGS were two different 'fi

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-02 Thread Davis, Lee
interesting stuff! Why can't Pentax just make the firmware change this automtically? I hope to do some more testing this weekend. Cheers Lee -- >Message: 10 >Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:30:18 -0700 >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Apr 30, 2008, at 22:07, Stan Halpin wrote: >> I came >> across a bunch of duplicate shots, with one version lighter than the >> other. It took my work- and wine-befuddled mind a while before I >> realized that they were from the brief era

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 30, 2008, at 22:07, Stan Halpin wrote: > I came > across a bunch of duplicate shots, with one version lighter than the > other. It took my work- and wine-befuddled mind a while before I > realized that they were from the brief era when I was doing the RAW > +JPEG thing. In my Lightroom, wh

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
BTW: I use the Lightroom preference to treat JPEG files with the same name as a RAW file, on import, as a duplicate sidecar. That way I only get RAW files imported, or JPEG files if no RAW file exists. Godfrey On Apr 30, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > To amplify just a bit on Godder

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The Pentax DSLR cameras' metering systems are calibrated to produce accurate exposure estimation for their *default* configuration ... JPEG capture (and in the case of the *ist DS, BRIGHT color rendering). They don't recalibrate for RAW exposure, where accurate exposure estimation should be

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Rick. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms > Thus wrote Godders on Nov 14: >

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Womer
Thus wrote Godders on Nov 14: "I set the camera to natural color, minimize contrast and sharpening, leave saturation alone, set the JPEG size to minimum and compression to maximum. That returns histograms which reflect something similar to what I see in Lightroom's histogram display." He's

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Womer
That's interesting. I wonder if it's a Lightroom quirk or a K10D quirk. I would compare the LR histogram to the Pentax software histogram, but alas I lost the CD. Rick --- Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To amplify just a bit on Godder's reply... > > If you shoot a few frames as RAW+

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So, I set the camera according to Godfrey's > recommendations of several months ago. Rick: I'd be willing to look in the archives for Godfrey's camera recommendations, but is there anyway I could get a more specific date o

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Christine Aguila
ssage - From: "Stan Halpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms > To amplify just a bit on Godder's reply... > > If you shoot a few frames as RAW+JP

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 30, 2008, at 6:12 PM, David Savage wrote: > Rule 15 > > And this is the first inkling that you've had about my incredible coolness? Sheesh, where's my marketing manager ... ]'-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://p

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Stan Halpin
To amplify just a bit on Godder's reply... If you shoot a few frames as RAW+JPEG and then import them into LR, it is easy to see at a glance which are the JPEG (lighter) and which are the RAW (darker). I was reminded of this last night while scrolling through way too many thumbnails to try a

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Rick Womer
--- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've -never- been accused of being cool... Rick > > Rrule 15 > > > > Cheers, > > Dave > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > t

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread David Savage
At 08:51 AM 1/05/2008, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >Actually, most of the time I just ignore the review playback on the >camera entirely these days. I know how each of my camera's metering >systems works well enough that I just set the exposure per what I >think is right and live with the consequences

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Godfrey. I expected (and was hoping) as much. I remain delighted with the camera, after a year and 5200 exposures. Rick --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's typical. > > The histogram on the camera is one rough > approximation of the data > shape driven by the prev

Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It's typical. The histogram on the camera is one rough approximation of the data shape driven by the preview JPEG, the histogram in Lightroom is its interpretation of the RAW data itself. There are no standards that either can be judged by. I've learned how to interpret the histogram functi

K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms

2008-04-30 Thread Rick Womer
=Why= am I asking this question, just four days from my K10D's first birthday and the expiry of its warranty? Anyway... I've been looking at the histogram on the camera more lately, and noticed that it usually does not correspond to the histogram in Lightroom. So, I set the camera according to G