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2001-07-26 Thread Rob Brigham
it would be that they could 'improve' on the software though. Rob -Original Message- From: Jan van Wijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 July 2001 06:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More RE: Amateur Photographer MZ-S review On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:39:26 -0700, Alan Chan wrote

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2001-07-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Wouldn't Phillipe's LX meter readjustment attempt count as an LX hack? Imagine how much easier that would be on a camera that you could access the software/firmware for... -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the

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2001-07-26 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
You are right if you use the media definition. Real hackers themselves would disagree with it. But then the media is well known for changing the meaning of words, sometimes through stupidity, but usually from malice and a desire for sensationalism. Hacking means getting into the software, finding

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2001-07-26 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:44:12 -0400, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: You are right if you use the media definition. Real hackers themselves would disagree with it. But then the media is well known for changing the meaning of words, sometimes through stupidity, but usually from malice and a desire for

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2001-07-25 Thread petit miam
Or back-to-front BG --- Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hold it upside down? G Norm Alan Chan wrote: That's cool man, but only one problem... where can we buy the left hand cameras? __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for

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2001-07-25 Thread Ed Mathews
Jaroslaw wrote: EOS-3 and Nikon F100 are labelled as high-end cameras - whatever it means. Quite distinct from their pro: models you say? Not very much so: EOS-3 build quality is similar to the old EOS-1N (shutter durability, sealing and gasketing against the elements, the chassis etc.)

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2001-07-25 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: I haven't had my done yet either. Has anyone in the US that doesn't have an inside track like Pål had it done yet? How long did it take? Its not an inside job. They connect it to a computer and download new software. I was told it took two minutes. Pål - This message is

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2001-07-25 Thread Rob Brigham
Ahh, that goes eom way to allaying my reservations about keeping the override, but surely that should read If you change to a different ISO rated film, it goes back to DX setting. I think the DX only conveys ISO and therefore if I am using MS 100/1000 at 1000 ISO and then put sensia 100 into the

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2001-07-25 Thread Peter Alling
You could always claim that it was Art. At 02:57 PM 7/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Norman Baugher wrote: Hold it upside down? G Norm Nah, wouldn't work... all your pictures would come back upside down, too, then you'd have to go into contortions to view them after

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2001-07-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
So for me, it sounds like sending it to Colorado and back is what will take the time. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: Re: More RE: Amateur Photographer MZ-S review

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2001-07-25 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski
It is true: the mode dial on my EOS-5 got broken after about 4 years of use and needed to be fixed - and it seems to be extremely common. The genuine repair is pretty expensive, since it involves exchange of the whole top plate. However, there are repairers who mend the mode dial for you for

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2001-07-25 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:39:26 -0700, Alan Chan wrote: Perhaps some hackers could improve the software upon it too. Very unlikely, 'Hackers' is a very broad and vague term, but the ones most often heard of are people breaking into computer systems or into commercial software breaking the

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2001-07-24 Thread Damien_Demolder
More Re: Amateur Photographer MZ-S review Thank you all for your responses to my response to your responses to my review. I didn't realise how many of you there are on this site - or how many e-mails I would come in to this morning. It is a hazard of my job that people with certain loyalties

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2001-07-24 Thread Pal Jensen
Jaroslaw wrote: You have repeated it several times that features like faster motordrives are only to be found in much heavier cameras. However it is possible to built a lightweight camera with fast film transport: the Canon EOS30 - no matter how crappy it is in terms of build quality

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2001-07-24 Thread ZawadiMedia
In a message dated 7/24/01 7:18:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax MZ-S is a well-crafted, wonderfully designed camera with control layuout of its own. I don't think pro photographers will rush to grab it (but a few might) mainly because most pros already

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2001-07-24 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski
Yes, I think you have got the point: since professionals accepted the T90 despite its ploycarbonate body and lots of electronics they were ready for the EOS-1. Nikon tried to keep things the old way for longer and the F4 was more like old-times pro cameras. Failure of Minolta 9000 was rather

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2001-07-24 Thread ZawadiMedia
In a message dated 7/24/01 7:27:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Its bloody unique because its the only lightweight, well built AF slr on the market. It also sports a totally unique user interface. While cameras like the EOS3 and F100 + Dynaxx 9 thread the same

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2001-07-24 Thread Rob Brigham
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2001-07-24 Thread John Francis
Rob Brigham mused: [ . . . . ] I do think you went over the top about the rewind speed as the sport professional you describe would surely have two bodies or risk missing the crucial shot even on faster cameras. Multiple bodies avoid the time spent changing lenses; you

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2001-07-24 Thread John Francis
Mike Johnston asked: And anyway, don't Nikon and Canon consider the EOS 3 and F100 to be top AMATEUR models? Quite distinct from their pro models? Maybe they might consider them that, but working pros don't. Last weekend (at the ALMS event at Sears Point) I happened to notice that Peter

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2001-07-24 Thread Rob Brigham
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More RE: Amateur Photographer MZ-S review Rob Brigham mused: [ . . . . ] I do think you went over the top about the rewind speed as the sport professional you describe would surely have two bodies or risk missing the crucial shot even on faster

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2001-07-24 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski
Do you mean that the MZ-S has a longer time lag than the PZ-1p? Time lag has been a dreadful bug of all-electronic cameras for years. I remember tests carried out in the late eighties on time lags in various cameras (in AF bodies it was measured with autofocus switched off). The results were

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2001-07-24 Thread Alan Chan
As you mentioned in a previous post the T90 was more popular among the professionals than the professional Canon F1. Interestingly, T90 was not marketed as a professional camera (or from what I have read at least). That's the reason why so many T90 have broken shutters. The EOS1 was more of a

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2001-07-24 Thread Alan Chan
*With a pancake lens mounted, the MZ-S simply disappears in a large field jacket pocket. Try ~that~ with a robo-camera... You just need a larger pocket. :p regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

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2001-07-24 Thread Alan Chan
This is an important point as it explains that what you are buyinbg is not an EOS 3 or F100, but an EOS 30/F80 with far better build and durability. This is why it is priced between the two. To say it is expensive based on features along is to miss the point. As I have always thought, MZ-S is

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2001-07-24 Thread Alan Chan
Although you rais an interesting thought - if you want 5fps you could hold a body in either hand and fire them simultaneously...! That's cool man, but only one problem... where can we buy the left hand cameras? regards, Alan Chan

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2001-07-24 Thread Anand DHUPKAR
I am just curious. What is definition of professional camera, by the way ? To me, it would go on changing always. From: Pal Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More RE: Amateur Photographer MZ-S review Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:56:07 +0200

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2001-07-24 Thread Norman Baugher
Hold it upside down? G Norm Alan Chan wrote: Although you rais an interesting thought - if you want 5fps you could hold a body in either hand and fire them simultaneously...! That's cool man, but only one problem... where can we buy the left hand cameras? - This message is from the

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2001-07-24 Thread Alan Chan
You are right about the right pedigree. Once you win the pro market you can get away with many things. The public generosity. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This

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2001-07-24 Thread Atvars_Karro
Seems, you got the point: Pentax cannot win: if pentax will create something unique, others will say: that sucks just because it does. If pentax will create something similar to C*** or N*** others will say: that sucks even more because it's copied from whatever. Maybe digital is a way out.

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2001-07-24 Thread Todd Stanley
Another problem, to beat the rewind time you'd need another two MZ-S's to use while the first two rewind. And two assistants to reload the cameras and carry all the gear, such as the two FA250-600mm F5.6 lenses. Todd At 11:00 AM 7/24/01 -0700, you wrote: Although you rais an interesting

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2001-07-24 Thread Chris Brogden
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Norman Baugher wrote: Hold it upside down? G Norm Nah, wouldn't work... all your pictures would come back upside down, too, then you'd have to go into contortions to view them after they've been framed and hung on the wall. chris Alan Chan wrote: Although you

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2001-07-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
:42 PM Subject: RE: More RE: Amateur Photographer MZ-S review Pål Jensen asked, about the MZ-S: Did you have yours bug fixed? I haven't mentioned it before but mine seems more responsive after the bug fix. I though it was just my imagination Pål Not yet - I'm leaving

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2001-07-24 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski
Yes, that's exactly the case - Canon has used belt drive in EOS 100, 5 , 50 and now in 30. It really keeps the noise to minimum but I think it is not as durable as geartrain since even Canon kept the latter in the EOS-3 and EOS-1V. They are fine in machines that do not see extensive use

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2001-07-24 Thread ZawadiMedia
In a message dated 7/24/01 12:42:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point was that if this extra 5 secs is that important then a single body is stupid and you should change film between races! Yah, we PJs many times switched film just to be sure not to run out or be