My most expensive lens is Tamron 300mm/2.8 and paid
700usd. I spent 1500usd on my Nikon LS-4000 scanner.
There are set of people who can not spend 1.5K on
camera body.
There are another set of people(like me), who can
spend money but it takes long time convince
themselves. One year back, I
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:13:35 -0400, Herb Chong wrote:
even with me being a nickel and dime stock photography person,
i spend substantially more than $1K/year on film and processing.
if i went 100% digital, the *istD could pay for itself in as few
as 4 months.
Ignoring ancillaries (memory
The most I've ever spent on a camera (I'm assuming a body and one lens?) is my
Leica CL, which at about $500US, is right at your arbitrarily set limit. And,
they tend to go for about that or a bit more on eBay in reasonable condition.
Higher at KEH, like around $500US without lens, and $700 or
Steve Desjardins wrote:
For me, $1000 is still too much for a low end camera. We
need the
equivalent of the *ist body with a 6 MP senor in it for
about $600.
Steve,
All you need to do is wait a while. It will surely come.
Maybe by end of 2004?
John
: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 13:21
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
I *might* be able to replace my whole kit for under $1K.
On 26 Aug 2003 at 11:52, Mark Roberts wrote:
How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
approximate and include the MZ-S).
MZ-S + Grip and five others that fall into the well over US$900 mark
Marnie aka Doe :-) Besides I found out at the end of the summer that the
woman's pictures (BW street photography) that I really admired in my
last class
were shot on... a Rebel! Blew me away. She also auto focused everything. I
suspect she had good glass, but let's face it, even dinky Canon
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Jostein wrote:
Well certainly, an *istD has less bagage to it's name than KISS.
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=KISSString=exact
This camera can't be meant to be anything more than a ps with a bayonet
lens mount.
Otoh, I'm sure it'll drag a lot of
...and I say, just as authoritatively as you, that the 300D will be a
marketing *flop*. Consumers with a thousand bucks for a camera are
much smarter than Canon realizes. The will invariably spend the extra
few hundred for the 10D rather than be seen as
kiddie-Rebel-photographer-wannabees. Or,
I *might* be able to replace my whole kit for under $1K.
CW
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From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
i spent over $1K for only one camera
Dear Mark,
None of the cameras I currently own, body only,
exceed the $900 mark: Fuji GS645S (used), Contax G2
(used), Pentax Z-1p (new). Nor are any of the
cameras I previously owned which forms a very long
list. (Nikon FE2, FA, F3, F2AS, F70, F801s, F601,
Canon EOS 100, 10s, 5, 630, Pentax LX)
,
and good credit.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Robert Gonzalez [EMAIL
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Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Gary L. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
approximate
Mark Roberts wrote:
I just thought of a better survey question to ask:
How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera?
Well, I have to back out on that one. I have spent over $500 for a
camera, several times...
(And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?)
How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
approximate and include the MZ-S).
Nope. Never. Never would, either. Which is why, if in a while (three to six
months), the 300D has a street price
MZ-S
Ken Waller
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:52:11 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
How about an informal survey of how many people on
this
list own cameras
of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make
that a little bit
approximate and include the MZ-S).
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and
For me, $1000 is still too much for a low end camera. We need the
equivalent of the *ist body with a 6 MP senor in it for about $600.
(for those who don't realize this, the *ist and *ist D have completely
different bodies, although the AF and segment meters appear to be the
same). Also, Pentax
People have gotten spoiled by just how cheap cameras have become in the last
30 years. If one were to use inflation adjusted, constant dollars, or how
long, on average, one would have to work to pay for a camera you'd see how
inexpensive they've become. 1000, 2003 dollars wouldn't pay for a
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Mark Roberts wrote:
I just thought of a better survey question to ask:
How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera?
Me. And I don't think I will ever spend the equivalent of $500 for a
camera (even in the UK/EU where money buys you less).
(And how much of the
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From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 24, 2003 3:59 PM
I don't think Pentax ever aimed (and *certainly* never claimed) to be
going for the lead in consumer DSLRs with the *ist-D. It's simply too
expensive. So is a $900 DSLR, in fact. When prices
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:05:21 +0100, you wrote:
The EOS 300D is a marketing triumph, and you are just going
to have to get used to that fact without calling other
people trolls or describing their opinions as crap. It
isn't worth getting upset about. Just live with it.
John
...and I say, just
Hi John,
on 24 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
I'm not sure. The 300D is really a poor rebel. You can'tchoose the
metering modes as you want, you can't stay on a focus point frame
after frame without (cumbersomely) rechoosing the point etc.
The *very* low price of the EOS 300D and the fact
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From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Hi John,
on 24 Aug
Graywolf wrote:
Should Pentax drop the price on the MZ-S because the Rebel
is cheaper?
No, they should drop the price anyway!
;-)
John
Hi John,
on 24 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
That's great news for digital SLR buyers ... and another
blow for Pentax. :-(
I'm not sure. The 300D is really a poor rebel. You can't choose the
metering modes as you want, you can't stay on a focus point frame after
frame without
older K mounts to be useful on it.
Jim A.
From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:40:11 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug
Hi whickersworld,
on 20 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
I've been told a street price of Euro 1199 in mainland
Europe, including sales tax at 14-16%, and would guess a US
tax free street price of $999, although the list price will
of course be higher.
It's even cheaper: the _MSRP_ is 1099,-
Mark wrote:
Pentax will have to respond by building a *real* entry-level DSLR like
the 300D. That'll happen in about a year, I'd guess.
According to Pentax president, a novice DSLR will be in place before 2005. And a pro
model as well. My guess is that PMA 2004 could be interesting. If not
Watching Pentax go after this DSLR market is like watching a Roadrunner cartoon. Canon
is the Roadrunner and Pentax is the day late and a dollar short coyote. No, that's
not right. Nikon is the coyote. Pentax is the cactus in the background.
Beep! Beep!
BR
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
http://www.letsgodigital.nl/webpages/firstlook/canon/D300/index_uk.html
Will Pentax drop the price a bit to respond?
Cheers,
Cotty
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Does anyone else get the feeling that before 2005 ought to be before
2004 if Pentax are to keep up with the competition?
Jostein
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From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
According to Pentax president, a novice DSLR will be in place before 2005.
And a pro model as well.
: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Does anyone else get the feeling that before 2005 ought to be before
2004 if Pentax are to keep up with the competition?
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
According to Pentax president
On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Jostein wrote:
Does anyone else get the feeling that before 2005 ought to be before
2004 if Pentax are to keep up with the competition?
Jostein
Should and Ought To have no conceptually equivalent terms in the
Pentax lexicon (belongs in the class of
Canon has released its rumoured budget DSLR - Kiss Digital:
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/kissd/index-j.html
Very similar to 10D, pentamirror instead of prism, smaller buffer, no
ISO 3200. Weighs less, 560g (vs *ist-D's 550g), and cosst less.
Also new is EF-S 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 USM lens
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