Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Dogs have masters, cats have staff. Bob Shell wrote: On May 12, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Tom C wrote: In this world so full of quantum uncertainies, I'd like to know how we're sure there's oil in it to begin

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo Dogs have masters, cats have staff. Dogs have masters, cats are too stupid to realize anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-13 Thread graywolf
Well if you want weird, my first car a '52 ford, when it ran out of gas it would suck oil and run on that. At least that is the only explanation I ever could come up with why it only ran low on oil when I ran the gas tank dry (at 17 that happened all to often). -graywolf David Savage wrote:

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/5/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Dogs have masters, cats have staff. Dogs have masters, cats are too stupid to realize anything. This guy is a friend of mine. True. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmHMmg-BzrY -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People,

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-13 Thread Norm Baugher
Why does this not surprise me? Do you have his number? Norm Cotty wrote: On 13/5/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Dogs have masters, cats have staff. Dogs have masters, cats are too stupid to realize anything. This guy is a friend of mine. True.

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/5/07, Norm Baugher, discombobulated, unleashed: Why does this not surprise me? Do you have his number? :-) He's actually a TV director - obviously with too much spare time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXoBQmM5OBA -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places,

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Cotty wrote: Hold on - do you live anywhere near Area 51? No. And when I plan to go anywhere near there I always drive a rental car, just in case. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Tom C wrote: In this world so full of quantum uncertainies, I'd like to know how we're sure there's oil in it to begin with. :-) Maybe, it only looks low when he checks it. No, I add quantum stabilizer at every oil change. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Mat Maessen wrote: 1. There is no PCV valve on that engine. H. Well I have an invoice for replacing it. Are you suggesting that a mechanic might lie about something?? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: Does your radiator coolant look like it has oil in it? No, one of the first things I checked. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Mat Maessen wrote: But there is an oil trap, and a plastic Y fitting that can get gummed up with oil crud. The plastic fitting is easy to clean out and cheap to replace. The oil trap is a bit more difficult. When mine was doing the same thing, I dumped a can's

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Ya' think? Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Mat Maessen wrote: 1. There is no PCV valve on that engine. H. Well I have an invoice for replacing it. Are you suggesting that a mechanic might lie about something?? Bob -- Entropy Seminar: The results of

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 12/05/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya' think? Maybe, however: http://www.swedishpartswholesale.com/VO_PCV~Oil~Trap_list.html -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread P. J. Alling
So it's not a real PCV valve but they call it one anyway... (Prices aren't nearly as expensive as I'd expect for Volvo). Digital Image Studio wrote: On 12/05/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya' think? Maybe, however:

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 12/05/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, guess that could be what he replaced. Cost was about $ 100 including labor. The invoice just says PCV valve. More info here: http://www.autohausaz.com/volvo-auto-parts/volvo-tuneups.html

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 12, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 12/05/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya' think? Maybe, however: http://www.swedishpartswholesale.com/VO_PCV~Oil~Trap_list.html Hmmm, guess that could be what he replaced. Cost was about $ 100 including labor. The

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Graywolf
Well even the pressed metal thingies like on my Blazer are $3.95 now. What ever happened to $1.00 oil filters, $1.89 air cleaners, etc? Went the same place 89 cent a quart oil did I guess... P. J. Alling wrote: So it's not a real PCV valve but they call it one anyway... (Prices aren't nearly

re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob Shell We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the mystery I am trying to solve. I have a 1991 Volvo 940 Turbo wagon that I really love. Has always been a very comfortable and civilized ride. Oil is disappearing from the

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Tom C wrote: In this world so full of quantum uncertainies, I'd like to know how we're sure there's oil in it to begin with. :-) Maybe, it only looks low when he checks it. No, I add quantum stabilizer at every oil change. Do you own a cat?

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread John Francis
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 01:26:18PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Tom C wrote: In this world so full of quantum uncertainies, I'd like to know how we're sure there's oil in it to begin with. :-) Maybe, it only looks low when he checks it.

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Bob Shell
On May 12, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Tom C wrote: In this world so full of quantum uncertainies, I'd like to know how we're sure there's oil in it to begin with. :-) Maybe, it only looks low when he checks it. No, I add quantum

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo Do you own a cat? Does anyone own a cat? Would anyone want to? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/5/07, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone own a cat? LOL Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Cotty
Do you own a cat? Does anyone own a cat? Would anyone want to? With a cat, would you have a choice? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault n 5/11/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many miles on the engine? I would strongly suspect leakage past the valve guides, where it gets burned. Have someone check the exhaust as you crank it up after sitting overnight. If you get a puff of blue smole

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I agree. Probably something like a rear main seal. The evidence will be scant. Paul On May 12, 2007, at 12:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Bob Shell We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the mystery I am trying to solve. I have a

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-12 Thread David Savage
On 5/13/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: frank theriault n 5/11/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many miles on the engine? I would strongly suspect leakage past the valve guides, where it gets burned. Have someone check the exhaust as you crank it up

OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Bob Shell
We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the mystery I am trying to solve. I have a 1991 Volvo 940 Turbo wagon that I really love. Has always been a very comfortable and civilized ride. Oil is disappearing from the crankcase at the rate of

RE: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Tom C
: OT: car mystery, Volvo Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:35:30 -0400 We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the mystery I am trying to solve. I have a 1991 Volvo 940 Turbo wagon that I really love. Has always been a very comfortable and civilized ride

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote: We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the mystery I am trying to solve. I have a 1991 Volvo 940 Turbo wagon that I really love. Has always been a very comfortable and civilized ride. Oil is disappearing from the

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/5/07, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed: Oil is disappearing from the crankcase at the rate of about a quart a month. It isn't leaking out anywhere since there is no oil on the carport where I park it. It doesn't smoke or smell of burning oil from the exhaust pipe when running,

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Did they try using an exhaust gas (emissions tester) analyzer? A quart per month is not going to show up visibly or by smell so they need to find out *exactly* what's coming out of the tailpipe. I don't think these guys would know what an

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Tom C
Classic signs of leakage while driving: a shitty mess on the rear that don;t mix with water too well ;-) HTH and good luck. Cheers, Cotty Thanks, that's what my problem is. :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
A quart a month isn't that much depending on the mileage you put on a vehicle. There a number of places it could be coming out slowly enough that you'd not easily detect it. Bob Shell wrote: We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the

OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Walter Hamler
How many miles on the engine? I would strongly suspect leakage past the valve guides, where it gets burned. Have someone check the exhaust as you crank it up after sitting overnight. If you get a puff of blue smole it's a good indicator of bad valve guide seals and/or worn valve guides. Walt

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/5/07, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Same vehicle also pumped out engine through the rear main bearing seal into the bellhousing. It emptied slowly but surely through the bellhousing drain hole, but only usually on heavy breaking on a run. Only spits and spots on the drive. The engine

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 5:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A quart a month isn't that much depending on the mileage you put on a vehicle. There a number of places it could be coming out slowly enough that you'd not easily detect it. It's driven about 200 miles a week. It's got about 125,000 miles

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Cotty wrote: That should read: Same vehicle also pumped out engine OIL through the rear main bearing seal into the bellhousing. It emptied slowly but surely through the bellhousing drain hole, but only usually on heavy breaking on a run. Only spits and spots

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: How many miles on the engine? I would strongly suspect leakage past the valve guides, where it gets burned. Have someone check the exhaust as you crank it up after sitting overnight. If you get a puff of blue smole it's a good indicator of

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread graywolf
Well, a quart a month on an old car can be good, or it can be bad. How many miles a month do you drive? Things to look for: Smoke when you first start up, indicates leaky valve guides. Oil in the coolant, indicates a blown head gasket. Better get this one fixed quick or you will wind up

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread frank theriault
On 5/11/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many miles on the engine? I would strongly suspect leakage past the valve guides, where it gets burned. Have someone check the exhaust as you crank it up after sitting overnight. If you get a puff of blue smole it's a good indicator of bad

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Did they try using an exhaust gas (emissions tester) analyzer? A quart per month is not going to show up visibly or by smell so they need to find out *exactly* what's coming out of the tailpipe. I don't think these guys would

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread graywolf
That is a quart in 800 miles, I would say you definitely have a leak somewhere. As a comparison, my '94 Blazer with 140K miles goes trough a 1/2 quart in 5000 miles. Since I run synthetic oil it seeps out where regular oil would not. No drips, but it leaks a bit in several places. Bob Shell

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Doug Franklin
Mark Roberts wrote: Oil is disappearing from the crankcase at the rate of about a quart a month. It isn't leaking out anywhere since there is no oil on the carport where I park it. It doesn't smoke or smell of burning oil from the exhaust pipe when running, and it runs great. I

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Mat Maessen
On 5/11/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We seem to have some people here who are pretty well informed about cars. Let me describe the mystery I am trying to solve. I have a 1991 Volvo 940 Turbo wagon that I really love. Has always been a very comfortable and civilized ride. long

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/5/07, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed: Where it's parked is clean. Really clean. Nary a drop of oil to be found. It's light colored concrete, so oil would show up easily. No oil on underside of car either. Okay. Admit it. You're syphoning it off. We won't laugh - honest. --

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Tom C
On 11/5/07, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed: Where it's parked is clean. Really clean. Nary a drop of oil to be found. It's light colored concrete, so oil would show up easily. No oil on underside of car either. Okay. Admit it. You're syphoning it off. We won't laugh - honest.

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Cotty
Hold on - do you live anywhere near Area 51? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread John Francis
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 04:50:35PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: Of course, a quart a month could be a leak and you'd probably never notice it, especially if it only happens when the engine's warmed up. Oh yes you would! My old Mustang was using less than that - about four quarts a year - but

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Joseph Tainter
Mat wrote: I owned a 1988 760 turbo with the exact same engine in it. Two suggestions: 1. There is no PCV valve on that engine. But there is an oil trap, and a plastic Y fitting that can get gummed up with oil crud. The plastic fitting is easy to clean out and cheap to replace. The oil trap is a

Re: OT: car mystery, Volvo

2007-05-11 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 12/05/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. My 1989 740 was blowing out oil until my mechanic determined that the above was the cause. A clogged flame trap can cause engine pressure to build up a lot, and it will find a place to leak out. But if you are sure you see no leaks,