'Nuff said.
On 5/31/05, Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No!
>
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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>
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>
> >
> > Geesh, Tom - would you give up your 4x5 film? Even if you did get a
> >
No!
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Scott Loveless wrote:
Geesh, Tom - would you give up your 4x5 film? Even if you did get a
really nifty digital camera?
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ill not be true.
> >
> > Herb...
> > ----- Original Message - From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
> >
> >
> >> As long as analog MF and LF is and
On Mon, 30 May 2005, William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
> Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
>
> > And I ordered yesterday 15 rolls of 135 :-) Although they are my usual
> > stuff (Superia, Centuria and Tri-X, all 40
- Original Message -
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
And I ordered yesterday 15 rolls of 135 :-) Although they are my usual
stuff (Superia, Centuria and Tri-X, all 400),
That will keep Fuji in the black for the next year, for sure.
On Mon, 30 May 2005, Graywolf wrote:
> Of course part of the low sales of snapshot film has to do with all
> the free film that you digital weanies have given to your friends. I
> still have about 20-30 rolls in the freezer myself.
And I ordered yesterday 15 rolls of 135 :-) Although they are my
ue.
Herb...
- Original Message - From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
As long as analog MF and LF is and will be a lot cheaper than its
digital counterparts someone will make film. My gues
day's volumes.
Herb...
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
No. I'm just assuming that there will be a need for film, especially in
larger formats, because some things, like LF newer
ark Cassino"
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
BTW, Rodinal can be mixed, and Foma makes a same developer as ORWO
(ORWO is where first Agfa factory was, "Original Wolfchen") R09, which
is in fact original Rodinal.
% of its current volume, all of the above will not be
> true.
>
> Herb...
> - Original Message -
> From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
>
>
> > As long as analo
ino
> Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
>
>
> Monday, May 30, 2005, 6:15:16 AM, Mark wrote:
> MC> Bummer.
>
> MC> Time for a major APX / Rodinal order,
>
> I am more concerned about the paper. Their MC fibre is my
> favourite over last few years.
>
Monday, May 30, 2005, 6:15:16 AM, Mark wrote:
MC> Bummer.
MC> Time for a major APX / Rodinal order,
I am more concerned about the paper. Their MC fibre is my favourite over
last few years.
But I still hope they survive, and continue production.
BTW, Rodinal can be mixed, and Foma makes a sam
May 27, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
Herb
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From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss"
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005
this is the Internet and i was there at the beginning of Usenet.
Herb
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
You know, maybe you should bear in mind that people tend to shoot
messengers.
t;DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
As long as analog MF and LF is and will be a lot cheaper than its digital
counterparts someone will make film. My guess is that Ilford has a good
position in that market.
corporations that do this find it much more expensive to borrow money, or
get money.
Herb
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From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
Actually Agfa is doing exactly what Ilfor
so is film. Kodak has stated that they are trying to exit the film business.
Herb...
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
You are so predictable ;-))
Damn, time to stock up on APX100
Norm
Derby Chang wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0505/05052701agfa_end.asp
This one time, at band camp, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Agfa dumped off its photo division, which became AgfaPhoto, about a year
> ago. It was saved from immediate death by an employee buy-out, IIRC.
> This is strike two for Agfa film and probably is the end for them.
Pity, I w
Sorry - I took up photography because I can't draw ... ;-))
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 5/28/2005 1:45:14 PM
> Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
>
> Then draw and quarter him.
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Then draw and quarter him.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
It's just that Herb seems to take so much pleasure in posting messages
about the demise of film. Take him out and hang him!!! Then shoot him.
Off to Walnut Creek in a bit ;-))
Shel
[Original Message]
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Actually Agfa is doing exactly what Ilford did, and Forte for that matter.
>Spin off the film division with its debts, then it files bankrupcy to clear
>the debt load, and resumes operations as a smaller company.
That's what Agfa *did* last year. Now it's t
I agree that if an emulsion is manufactured, it will be sold in whatever
sizes people want (within reason). I doubt that in future the MF/LF
market will be sufficient on its own to make film production worthwhile.
However, if there is still an economically viable market for 35mm film,
the
Film is made in something like 40 inch wide rolls, then slit down to various
sizes. That being the case it is likely that other sizes of film will remain
available. In fact it is somewhat easier to get odd-ball sizes of film today
than it was 10 years ago. Now different emulsions will disappear
Actually Agfa is doing exactly what Ilford did, and Forte for that matter. Spin off the film division with its debts, then it files bankrupcy to clear the debt load, and resumes operations as a smaller company. Corporations do this kind of thing all the time. In other words business as usual.
gr
Sheesh! I'm now in some way obligated to comment on your photos? I
comment on those of which that I have something to say that may be
worthwhile. There are many photos here that I don't comment on, from many
different photographers. But when I do comment - as I have on a couple of
your recent p
DagT wrote:
My reaction is the opposite. I find it interesting how different
photographers interpret the same object. A really interesting
competition would be to see 20 good photographers compete with
pictures of the same boring object such as an ordinary chair.
So I´m usually happy to te
My reaction is the opposite. I find it interesting how different
photographers interpret the same object. A really interesting
competition would be to see 20 good photographers compete with pictures
of the same boring object such as an ordinary chair.
So I´m usually happy to tell people wher
In a message dated 5/28/2005 8:49:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It may be that when I get to the area something else will catch my
attention. I've got to be careful about what I photograph as there are
only 12 exposures on the roll of film I have.
Shel
==
I'd fe
And one more thing. If there were something I photographed that you found
interesting, I'd support you and help you get the best pics you could, and
be happy to do so.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I am sort of unhappy about that. Trying to show me u
That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard in quite a while.
FYI, I like old buildings and old things. I want to shoot something
different which has a lot of detail using my (new to me) med format camera.
There are other things in the area to photograph besides "your" gas pumps.
Th
In a message dated 5/28/2005 8:11:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's just that Herb seems to take so much pleasure in posting messages
about the demise of film. Take him out and hang him!!! Then shoot him.
Off to Walnut Creek in a bit ;-))
Shel
I am sort
It's just that Herb seems to take so much pleasure in posting messages
about the demise of film. Take him out and hang him!!! Then shoot him.
Off to Walnut Creek in a bit ;-))
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Kodak just announced the closin
In a message dated 5/28/2005 5:04:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kodak just announced the closing of the color paper plant for South America.
Herb
===
You know, maybe you should bear in mind that people tend to shoot messengers.
Even though the bad messages th
I would guess that 35mm b&w will outlive anything else. The darkroom
process is something that many photographers don't want to give up, and
there may be enough of them to keep b&w film alive almost indefinitely.
It is unlikely to be cost-effective to make colour film just for MF and LF
ca
You are so predictable ;-))
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Herb Chong
> Kodak just announced the closing of the color paper plant for South
America.
>
> Herb
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> > Herb likes to gloat about the demise of film ;-)) He's a strong
a market that has increased the rate of contraction from 18%/year to
20%/year is not a good place to be.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
So why, exactly
As long as analog MF and LF is and will be a lot cheaper than its
digital counterparts someone will make film. My guess is that Ilford
has a good position in that market.
DagT
På 28. mai. 2005 kl. 04.21 skrev Herb Chong:
sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is
ne
Kodak just announced the closing of the color paper plant for South America.
Herb
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
Herb likes to gloat about the demise of f
this isn't software where venture capitalists seem to inhabit another
dimension of reality.
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
But I wouldn't cou
yes, but still making stuff, as far as i can tell. that won't last.
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: So long AgfaPhoto
sad, but not a surprise except to those with b
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kevin Waterson wrote:
>
>>This one time, at band camp, "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
>>>
>>Did'nt Ilford go into recievership last year?
>>
>Only the film and b&w pa
Saturday, May 28, 2005, 5:28:49 AM, Scott wrote:
SL> On 5/27/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
>>
SL> So why, exactly, is Ilford next? Do you have something to back that
SL> up, or are you just blowing smoke? I
He likes to gloat about the demise of everything, except Canon.
I'm the opposite. :-)
John
On Sat, 28 May 2005 05:35:43 +0100, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Herb likes to gloat about the demise of film ;-)) He's a strong booster
of
The Digital Way.
Shel
[Original Messag
Only the film and b&w paper division, IIRC.
Kevin Waterson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
Did'nt Ilford go into recievership last year?
Kevin
--
A man's only
Herb likes to gloat about the demise of film ;-)) He's a strong booster of
The Digital Way.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Loveless
> On 5/27/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is
next.
> >
> So why, exactl
On 5/27/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
>
So why, exactly, is Ilford next? Do you have something to back that
up, or are you just blowing smoke? Ilford's film division went into
receivership last year. After a
On 5/27/05, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0505/05052701agfa_end.asp
So why the subject line? So they filed for insolvency. Big deal.
Companies do this when they hit hard times and need to restructure.
Corporations don't like to die, and many actual
This one time, at band camp, "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
Did'nt Ilford go into recievership last year?
Kevin
--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed
sad, but not a surprise except to those with blinders on. Ilford is next.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss"
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: So long AgfaPhoto
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0505/05052701agfa_end.asp
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