Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-18 Thread Igor Roshchin
Thanks to all who responded. Special thanks to Godfrey for the link to the paper. From that document, I learned an interesting thing related to the exposure at high magnifications (p13 of the PDF, p.12 of the paper). I've known that fact experimentally, but never thought about the exact

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-18 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Thanks to all who responded. Special thanks to Godfrey for the link to the paper. From that document, I learned an interesting thing related to the exposure at high magnifications (p13 of the PDF, p.12 of the paper). I've known that

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-18 Thread Igor Roshchin
Larry, sorry... that can be easily looked up in the PDML archives, (that's how I am reading the list anyway), - as Godfrey posted only one response. Here it is: http://www.a-p-s.org.au/pdfs/articles/macro.pdf As I wrote, - the interesting thing is the formalism for exposure at high

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-18 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Larry, sorry... that can be easily looked up in the PDML archives, (that's how I am reading the list anyway), - as Godfrey posted only one response. Here it is: http://www.a-p-s.org.au/pdfs/articles/macro.pdf As I wrote, - the

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-18 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This makes me wonder if there were some way to design an aperture so that there was no knife edge.  Perhaps a curved coating of sapphire on the edge of the blade so that it became progressively more opaque over the distance

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Macro is an abbreviation of photomacrography which by strict definition is the capture of subjects at 1:1 or greater magnifications. Here's a good recent paper on the subject (circa 2006): http://www.a-p-s.org.au/pdfs/articles/macro.pdf When applied to lenses, originally the term macro lens meant

RE: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: Igor Roshchin ... Well, I understand the meaning of the word. But what does it actually mean in the lens designation? The new Sigma 18-250 lens is called macro with a maximum magnification ratio of 1:2.9:

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-16 Thread steve harley
on 2012-06-16 7:28 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote Macro is an abbreviation of photomacrography which by strict definition is the capture of subjects at 1:1 or greater magnifications. Here's a good recent paper on the subject (circa 2006): http://www.a-p-s.org.au/pdfs/articles/macro.pdf interesting

RE: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread J.C. O'Connell
the macro term is loosely applied, in general in means some sort of close focussing, ususally 1:5 magnification or greater. To me a real macro lens is always a flat field prime optimized for closeup, with at least 1:2 mag- nification or greater. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: So, what is necessary and sufficient for a lens to be called macro? Someone in the marketing department calling it a macro. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Macro in the good old days usually meant 1:2 as a minimum, for maximum reproduction ratio. When close focusing zooms began to appear it was misused a lot to describe merely close focusing capability. So don't be surprised if a lens described as macro is only actually close focusing

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Damn, I should really read these things before I post them. On 6/15/2012 2:51 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Macro in the good old days usually meant 1:2 as a minimum, for maximum reproduction ratio. When close focusing zooms began to appear it was misused a lot to describe merely close focusing

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread Larry Colen
It's interesting that the 1:2 definition has nothing to do with image size, or field of view. A 1:2 lens on a u4/3 is effectively a lot more magnification than 1:1 on a 645, or even a 645D, and about the same as 1:1 on a 35mm. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Not, really the field of view changes but the magnification doesn't. If you print a 1:1 image, of the same subject, the actual size of the capture medium, from any format, say 645, then do the same with 35mm and line up the 35mm print on top of the 645 print the subject will be the same size,

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:19 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Not, really the field of view changes but the magnification doesn't. Until you print it, or do something besides look at the image on the negative or the sensor. Of course, we're talking magnification at different stages in the process.

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Once again not really, macro refers to magnification at capture. The magnification ration refers to the size of the image on the recording surface. 1:1 means that the image projected on the surface is the same size as the object being captured. Not as obvious maybe in the case of a three

Re: What does the macro mean?

2012-06-15 Thread Jens
That's right PJ Alling. Many camera or lens manufacturers seem to confuse macro with close-up. Most macro settings don't really do macro images (capture size equal to 1:1 or larger) - jsut close-ups :-) Regards Jens (from Denmark) -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On