RE: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-15 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
> > Controllers in modern cards are designed so as to balance writes > > across the card. That coupled with good error detection and > > correction routines should make the card last forever under normal > > load. That is assuming "normal" error rate. Could happen that the > > memory on the cards i

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-15 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/15/2011 11:29 AM, Krisjanis Linkevics wrote: SD cards have controllers inside as well. This is "hard data" from an Apacer datasheet of 2005: "The SD Memory Card includes an intelligent controller that manages interfaced protocols and data storage and retrieval as well as Error Correction Cod

RE: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-15 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
> Kris, I am somewhat confused now. What you say makes perfect sense > except one detail. I thought that CF cards were those that had > controller on board. The SD cards as I understand don't have controller > on board. Therefore it makes certain sense (may be not too much sense, > but still) to wr

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 09:16:11PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: > On 11-03-14 9:07 PM, steve harley wrote: > > > >of course reformatting frequently will increase the number of > >writes of those directory blocks, and thus wear those blocks out > >even faster > > Yeah, exactly, which is one reason wh

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/14/2011 10:25 PM, Krisjanis Linkevics wrote: Now whether cards become bad with time or not is mostly dependant on the hardware/software controller on the card itself - depending on how good it is at choosing places to write files and how good it is at marking the bad spots on the card - the

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-03-14 9:07 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-14 18:37 , Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-03-14 5:21 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-14 14:54 , Bruce Walker wrote: Now if a bad block is discovered on your Flash device while trying to read the directory structure, I assume that the bad block

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread steve harley
On 2011-03-14 18:37 , Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-03-14 5:21 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-14 14:54 , Bruce Walker wrote: Now if a bad block is discovered on your Flash device while trying to read the directory structure, I assume that the bad block will immediately be remapped, but the dama

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-03-14 5:21 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-14 14:54 , Bruce Walker wrote: Now if a bad block is discovered on your Flash device while trying to read the directory structure, I assume that the bad block will immediately be remapped, but the damage is already done. Not physically damaged

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Bob W wrote: >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >> Krisjanis Linkevics >> > But >> > formatting may (although it's no guarantee) repair a glitch in an >> iffy >> > card and let you continue using it. >> > >> > -bmw >> >> Some

RE: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Krisjanis Linkevics > > But > > formatting may (although it's no guarantee) repair a glitch in an > iffy > > card and let you continue using it. > > > > -bmw > > Some facts and common sense: I'm sorry, but you're going to

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread steve harley
On 2011-03-14 14:54 , Bruce Walker wrote: Now if a bad block is discovered on your Flash device while trying to read the directory structure, I assume that the bad block will immediately be remapped, but the damage is already done. Not physically damaged of course, but files could appear to be un

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread steve harley
On 2011-03-14 14:25 , Krisjanis Linkevics wrote: What formatting these does should be exactly nothing (or equivalent to deleting files) but formatting is done with a piece of software on the host computer (or camera) and therefore can introduce more writes/deletes than necessary. What people f

Re: formatting SD flash memory (rant) - was RE: "Damaged" images

2011-03-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-03-14 4:25 PM, Krisjanis Linkevics wrote: But formatting may (although it's no guarantee) repair a glitch in an iffy card and let you continue using it. -bmw Some facts and common sense: SD memory is NAND flash which means the following things: 1) manufacturers ship it with errors already