Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-10 Thread David Parsons
Larry, Read through this, it may help your understanding (or it may confuse the hell out of you): http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html#ETTR And the entire document: http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/index.html On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 8:27 PM, La

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-10 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 05:27:53PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > In my typical geeky fashion, I'm trying to wrap my head around all of the > ramifications of adjusting sensitivity (ISO) on my camera. Please correct the > errors in my understanding. > > In the simplest form, it is a measure of how

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > ... I'm trying to wrap my head around all of the ramifications of ... I most certainly realize that this is a standard figure of speech. Yet, I cannot help but notice that wrapping one's head around things such as these may produce severe head

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-10 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" As a matter of side note, I made recently a shot at ISO 6400 in rather dim light. It came out so good that practically I don't think I need bother with ISO any more. Apparently auto ISO setting of 80-6400 was exactly right for my purposes.

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" >> >> As a matter of side note, I made recently a shot at ISO 6400 in rather >> dim light. It came out so good that practically I don't think I need >> bother with ISO any more. Apparen

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
Boris, combining replies It is something that I do hope to experiment with. However, while just trying something to see what happens does have value, I feel that I could do a much better experiment, and get a lot more out of it, if I understood the theory behind what I'm trying. If not,

RE: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen In my typical geeky fashion, I'm trying to wrap my head around all of the ramifications of adjusting sensitivity (ISO) on my camera. Please correct the errors in my understanding. In the simplest form, it is a measure of how many LSBs per photon (or tens, thousands or millions

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Larry Colen >> >> It seems to me that if we are shooting a low contrast situation, such >> as clouds on a grey sky, or with a mediocre, low contrast lens, we >> could compensate by using a higher ISO to spread the fewer stops of >> dynamic

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > >> From: Larry Colen >>> >>> It seems to me that if we are shooting a low contrast situation, such >>> as clouds on a grey sky, or with a mediocre, low contrast lens, we >>> could compensate

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: >> >>> From: Larry Colen It seems to me that if we are shooting a low contrast situation, such as clouds on a grey sk

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: >>> From: Larry Colen > > It seems to me that if we are sh

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Dario Bonazza
The simple answer about extended bracketing with the K-5: Read instruction manual (page 160). It's all there. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the d

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > The simple answer about extended bracketing with the K-5: Read instruction > manual (page 160). It's all there. For me, extended bracketing is nearly useless: When extended bracketing is set, the file format is set to [JPEG] and cannot be ch

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Larry Colen It seems to me that if we are shooting a low contrast situation, such as clouds on a grey sky, or with a mediocre, low contrast lens, we could compensate by using a higher ISO to spread the fewer stops of dy

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-11 Thread Dario Bonazza
Larry Colen wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: The simple answer about extended bracketing with the K-5: Read instruction manual (page 160). It's all there. For me, extended bracketing is nearly useless: When extended bracketing is set, the file format is set to [JPEG]

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 12, 2011, at 2:09 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Larry Colen wrote: > >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >>> The simple answer about extended bracketing with the K-5: Read instruction >>> manual (page 160). It's all there. >> >> For me, extended bracketing is nearly us

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-12 Thread William Robb
On 12/04/2011 12:09 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: All this thread subset about bracketing other than exposure is pointless then. Shoot RAW, take good care of exposure (bracket in extreme conditions) and you're done. Measure the brightest part of the scene that you want to keep detail in. Measur

Re: understanding sensitivity, dynamic range, contrast etc.

2011-04-14 Thread Thibouille
And if you wanna use Bill's idea and really push it (the idea, not Bill), you'd use a 1° spot meter because, really, our Pentax cameras spot meter isn't that spot. It is around 5° or more AFAIR. If you're really too rich, get a Sekonic L758 which you can profile with your DSLR sensor specs (DR etc