Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Raimo K
] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: RE: Why didn't Pentax Isn't this what's used in Olympus E-10 ans E-20? I guess the downside is a not so bright vievfinder, at least that's what a E-10 user tells me. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Raimo K
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:22 AM Subject: Why didn't Pentax ...use a pellicle-mirror design in their recent DSLR's? A Pellicle mirror design, which splits the light between the viewfinder and the CCD array rather than using

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Steve Jolly
Alan Chan wrote: Because there is no real mirror to obstruct the view? I was just guessing. There's still a shutter to obstruct the view. :-) S

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Steve Jolly
Peter J. Alling wrote: The semi silvered mirror would collect dust, and they're fairly fragile. Thinking about it, dust on the semi-silvered mirror would be far less of a problem than dust on the sensor for the same reason that dusty lenses are rarely something to get worked up about - the dust

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Herb Chong
Kodak did that once. they stopped. i believe that it is too hard to get and keep aligned. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 5:33 AM Subject: Re: Why didn't Pentax Thinking about it, dust

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Frantisek
Saturday, January 8, 2005, 11:30:16 AM, Steve wrote: SJ Alan Chan wrote: Because there is no real mirror to obstruct the view? I was just guessing. SJ There's still a shutter to obstruct the view. :-) How about making it semi-transparent as well ;-) Good light! fra

RE: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread J. C. O'Connell
interfere with the mirror travel. JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 7:43 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Why didn't Pentax Kodak did that once. they stopped. i believe that it is too hard to get and keep aligned

RE: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Jan 2005 at 8:18, J. C. O'Connell wrote: seems to me that aligning a glass flat parallel to a sensor would be child's play via a spacer. I think that this technique would be good in a rangefinder camera but not in a SLR because in order to get the dust out of the focal plane it would

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Carlos Royo
J. C. O'Connell escribió: seems to me that aligning a glass flat parallel to a sensor would be child's play via a spacer. I think that this technique would be good in a rangefinder camera but not in a SLR because in order to get the dust out of the focal plane it would need to be too far away from

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Frantisek
Saturday, January 8, 2005, 3:52:12 PM, Carlos wrote: CR J. C. O'Connell escribió: seems to me that aligning a glass flat parallel to a sensor would be child's play via a spacer. I think that this technique would be good in a rangefinder camera but not in a SLR because in order to get the dust

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-08 Thread Peter J. Alling
The dust hanging in the light path between the sensor and the lens would be considerably more of a problem than dust on the lens. The closer to the focal plain it gets the bigger the problem is. The only advantage to this I see is that the glass would be easier to clean and less fragile than

Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Mark Erickson
...use a pellicle-mirror design in their recent DSLR's? A Pellicle mirror design, which splits the light between the viewfinder and the CCD array rather than using a flip-up mirror, would yield the following features: the camera ISO would start at 100 rather than 200; the viewfinder would never

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Juan Buhler
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:22:15 -0800, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...use a pellicle-mirror design in their recent DSLR's? I suppose also the viewfinder would be darker and the ISO would end at 1600 instead of 3200 (with the same noise). There must be other drawbacks that I'm missing. j

RE: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Jens Bladt
. januar 2005 00:22 Til: Pentax-Discuss Emne: Why didn't Pentax ...use a pellicle-mirror design in their recent DSLR's? A Pellicle mirror design, which splits the light between the viewfinder and the CCD array rather than using a flip-up mirror, would yield the following features: the camera

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Joseph Tainter
Soft images, I believe. Joe

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Alan Chan
--- Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...use a pellicle-mirror design in their recent DSLR's? A Pellicle mirror design, which splits the light between the viewfinder and the CCD array rather than using a flip-up mirror, would yield the following features: the camera ISO would start at

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Steve Jolly
Alan Chan wrote: Would the dirt accumulate on the mirror eventually degrade the image quality? No more than dust on the sensor does. Easier to clean, though, and cheaper to replace. Also, would there be any impact on purple fringing? No. But seal the CCD from dust would be a nice idea, and I

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Alan Chan
--- Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you get real-time LCD? Because there is no real mirror to obstruct the view? I was just guessing. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect

RE: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Mark Erickson
Yeah, like the Olympus E-10 and E-20. It's pretty easy to simulate the viewfinder difference with a given lens by stopping down the lens one stop (i.e., setting an F1.4 lens to F2.0) and using DOF preview to check the difference in brightness. The difference is not trivial, but it's not

Re: Why didn't Pentax....

2005-01-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
The semi silvered mirror would collect dust, and they're fairly fragile. Mark Erickson wrote: ...use a pellicle-mirror design in their recent DSLR's? A Pellicle mirror design, which splits the light between the viewfinder and the CCD array rather than using a flip-up mirror, would yield the