Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7380] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Gary Richmond
Frederik, lists, You wrote: I vaguely recall a picture connecting 1-2-3 - some possibilities (1) seep through the cracks of existence (2) to become real (3) habits ... I don't recall where it is from ... For me there is in Peirce, perhaps especially in late Peirce, a very specific and repeated

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7382] Re: Natural Propositions and

2014-11-06 Thread Gary Richmond
Jeff, Frederik, lists, Jeff wrote: JD: For my money, however, [Peirce] is strongly motivated by questions in the normative sciences--and especially in the theory of signs and logic--to probe more deeply into both mathematical and philosophical conceptions of continuity. If I was a betting person

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7379] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary R., Frederik, Lists, You both say: "I agree with your contention 'that P's strong interest in mathematical continuity is, in the end, metaphysically motivated'" Depending upon what you mean by saying "in the end," it appears that I may be disagreeing with the two of you. Peirce seems to b

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7380] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Gary, lists, I vaguely recall a picture connecting 1-2-3 - some possibilities (1) seep through the cracks of existence (2) to become real (3) habits … I don't recall where it is from … But whaddabout Jim Hurford and his challenging hypothesis of the visual/dorsal split realizing propositio

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7379] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Gary Richmond
Frederik, lists, I agree with your contention "that P's strong interest in mathematical continuity is, in the end, metaphysically motivated. He wanted a mathematical tool to describe the reality of thirdness." Paul Forster takes this "strong interest" up from the standpoint of pragmatism, highligh

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7377] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Den 06/11/2014 kl. 17.11 skrev Jeffrey Brian Downard mailto:jeffrey.down...@nau.edu>> : Dear Jeff, lists, I do not think this P-quote deals with the reduction of individuals to generalities. It deals with the status of possibilities - it is pertaining to possibilities he claims the absence of

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Perusing The Discussion

2014-11-06 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Afar is where I sit to this discussion, but with great respect for the minds at work and for what seems to me a persuasive, if not slam dunk, articulation of universalism or, as it is also called, realism. My tangental but I feel central concern is with what concerned the writer of the first chapte

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7373] Natural Propositions

2014-11-06 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Howard, lists This is where our ways part. If iron really were "just a name classifying certain useful collections of fundamental particles" I would have no criteria for saying I have an iron knife. I have no access to the presumed fundamental particles in my knife, and if I had, I would

[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7374] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary F., Howard, Frederik, Lists In his discussion of topological connectedness in the New Elements of Mathematics, Peirce does seem to say that we can construct discontinuous relations from processes of generation that are continuous. We do it by intersecting the things we've generated, which

[PEIRCE-L] FW: [biosemiotics:7375] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Howard, No, what I described as rather trivial was your idea of "the logical irreducible complementarity of discrete and continuous models", or as you put it earlier, that "neither conceptually nor formally can discreteness or continuity be derived from or reduced to the other." What is not tri

[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7374] Re: Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Thanks, Frederik, I think your explanation probably clarifies the situation more than mine, which was sent before I saw yours. By the way, the exchange between Howard and me was not (until now) copied to the Peirce list. I'll forward the one I just sent to biosemiotics. I don't think it conflicts w

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7370] Natural Propositions and continuity

2014-11-06 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Howard, Gary, lists - It is certainly correct, as Howard says, that Peirce also maintained the irreducibility of discreteness to continuity and vice versa. In his categories, 2-ness is discrete, 3-ness is continuous. It is also correct that this is far from trivial. Actually Peirce thought

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7355] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-11-06 Thread Howard Pattee
At 04:45 AM 11/4/2014, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: I stumbled over a text bite [Edwina and Howard] from mid-October which gave me the idea that there may be some terminological confusion at the root of some of our discussions. HP: I'm sure that is the case. We also have a cultural difference