Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Relations & Their Relatives

2015-12-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supplement: I suspect, that my below consideration is non-Peircean, as far as I know, because I ony know examples by Peirce, that are about relatives, that is terms, i.e. language. Language, of course, can only be inter-subjective. An intra-subjective consideration as below may be weird or

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-12 Thread gnox
Franklin, Jeff, Just to clarify, a percept is a singular phenomenon: X appears. To perceive X as smoke is a perceptual judgment. The verbal expression of that judgment, “That is smoke,” is indeed a dicisign (proposition), uniting its subject (that) with a predicate (__ is smoke), which like

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-12 Thread Franklin Ransom
Gary F, Just to clarify, do the categories still apply to a percept when it is considered as a singular phenomenon? I noticed that you say the verbal expression of the perceptual judgment is a dicisign, but you do not say that the perceptual judgment is a dicisign. Is it your position that the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-12 Thread Franklin Ransom
Jeff, list, Peirce does say, in paragraph 539 from Vol. 4 of CP, that "[t]he Immediate Object of all knowledge and all thought is, in the last analysis, the Percept". When you ask whether the percept is the smoke itself, or a visual impression, I think this statement from Peirce implies you are

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: signs, correlates, and triadic relations - The union of the units unifies the unity

2015-12-12 Thread Franklin Ransom
Jerry, list, Well, I'm glad that someone agrees with me, as far as the statement went. Jerry, I think that you raise some good questions. Though, I must admit I'm not entirely sure what a couple of your terms mean, such as 'coupling' and 'grammar'. As for 'unit', I'll guess you mean something