Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: Gf: Now I’m seeing the limitations of your hypothesis that ALL human endeavor is rooted in dissatisfaction. It seems to ignore more positive motivations such as curiosity, participation and playfulness in all its forms. The quest for knowledge can be much more than an escape from a

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread Benjamin Udell
Helmut, list, Yep, Pound was a fascist who, through the intercession of influential friends, managed to receive nothing more than commitment to an institution for the insane after broadcasting propaganda for the Axis in WW2 (unlike William Joyce, "Lord Haw-Haw", who got hanged). Oddly enough,

RE: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread John Collier
Helmut, There are versions of what science is supposed to do that don’t worry about causation, but just try to find regularities. The more extreme forms of this are instrumentalism (like Mach) or Pierre Duhem’s antirealist view of physics in Aim and Structure of Physical Theory. Duhem thought t

Aw: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
John, that is interesting to me, as I did not know, that reverse engineering is merely about the result or function, but not about the codes or causes. Still I wonder, how can a scientist be sure, that the causal structure in his hypotheses duplicates the causal structure of nature, and is not a

RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread John Collier
Helmut, Although the idea of science as reverse engineering is intriguing, it does not fit my view of what science does when it is successful. Reverse engineering studies how something works in order to reproduce the function. It doesn’t necessarily, and usually does not, use the same causes: t

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supplement: Just read about Ezra Pound at Wikipedia. A fascist, oops. But this poeia-thing is a good idea of his, anyway. People donot have only good or only bad ideas, I guess. Probably he has had this idea before his mind obscured. List, when I read about the comparison of science / mat

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
List, when I read about the comparison of science / mathematics with engineering, the term "reverse-engineering" comes into my mind. Perhaps a hypothesis in physics is an attempt to reverse-engineer an aspect of nature, and a mathematical hypothesis, to reverse-engineer an aspect of logic? In cr

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: 6 vectors and 3 inference patterns

2016-05-20 Thread gnox
Jon, Ben’s post has said a lot of what I would have said, so I’ll just add a few notes by insertion here … From: Jon Alan Schmidt [mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com] Sent: 19-May-16 09:13 Gary F., List: Gf: Science as a discipline of engineering? That’s too much of a stretch for me ...