RE: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread John Collier
Stephen, if you change the definitions (I specifically used the Catholic case), then you can say whatever you want. I have no idea what you are talking about with square circles. I had a sculpturist student once who thought he could square the circle. Under the usual assumptions of what this

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
A square circle is real in many possible ways. Evil is not absence it is tangible harm mental or physical and its ethical status depends on whether it is consciously intended. Evil does ultimately vanish as we conscious sorts over time leech it out of ourselves either here or beyond if there is a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Everything is real including unreality, fiction, laundry bags, ideas, muses, thoughts, coughs. There is nothing that is not real. At some point maybe I will go through Peirce and see if I can find the premises that back this up. Of course I will find his binary use of the term but I cannot believe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Jon, Not to carry this thread beyond some useful threshold, see below: On 2/10/2017 7:18 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: Mike, List: I suspect that the questions of whether all generals are real and whether the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Jon S, Mike, List, Before trying to address metaphysical questions, why not start with some semiotic questions. Let's start with two simple conceptions: 1. Quarter Horse 2. Unicorn What sorts of answers seem to follow if we consider the different kinds of relations that hold between objects,

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Possible Article of Interest • CSP's “Mindset” from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jon Awbrey
Jerry, You always seem to bring this up at the most inconvenient moments. Last time I was in the throes of a fever 裸 and could make only a cryptic remark about the Sisyphean mountain of inquiry that Peirce mapped. And now I'm stuck at ⭐️歷歷 waiting for a text ⚡️⚡️⚡️ Later that night ⚡️⚡️⚡️ The

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jerry Rhee
On “'Whether such a thing as metaphysics be at all possible?' It seems almost ridiculous, while every other science is continually advancing, that in this, which pretends to be Wisdom incarnate, for whose oracle everyone inquires, we should constantly move round the same spot, without gaining a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JAS:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-02/msg00094.html JA:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-02/msg00098.html JFS:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-02/msg00100.html JA: As far as "predicate" and "proposition" go, usage varies promiscuously. Some

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, List: JFS: The third row (predicate, proposition, argument) is the *formal* triad. A predicate is a symbol of some relation. A proposition is a symbol that asserts the relation. But the third row does not apply only to symbols. What do we call an icon or index that Peirce further

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jon Awbrey
Jon, As far as "predicate" and "proposition" go, usage varies promiscuously. Some people use them to mean syntactic elements, in the S & I domains. Some people use them to mean objective elements, in the Object domain. In a sign relational setting we need to admit both types of elements and we

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I have my doubts about that - i.e., that the 'binary would turn deism itself into a binary, while the triadic form ..clears the space.. The explosion of nominalism in the 13th c was a binaristic rejection of triadism, with the 'mediation force' defined by the Church as an essentialist a priori

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, List: JFS: For teaching Peirce's semiotic, I therefore recommend that those five words should be replaced with terms that CSP himself used: mark, token, type; icon, index, symbol; predicate, proposition, argument. I have no problem with mark/token/type, but "predicate" and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Which makes it more imperative than ever that a way be found to make the triadic mode more understandable and to say why it is infinitely superior to binary thinking. Without it we perish. This is NOT an academic matter. amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Edwina

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I don't find that it's the terms that slow down the use of Peirce in analysis; I find that it's the concept of a triadic semiosis with that vital mediation, and the concept of the three modal categories. Both seem very hard for people to grasp - and so, semiotics is reduced to the simplistic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

2017-02-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
A distinction between real and anything is to me a binary notion which may be useful but is ultimately confusing. To say that everything is real is to say that reality is the whole kahuna of everything within which there is good and evil, falsity and truth, and so forth. I know that Peirce makes