[PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread Jon Awbrey
The first thing about intelligence is knowing what games you want to play ... or whether to play at all. I'm not seeing any AIs that I yet. Regards, Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com > On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:21 PM, wrote: > > John, you've made several important points here, and thanks esp

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread gnox
John, you've made several important points here, and thanks especially for taking Jerry C's question off my hands. šŸ˜Š A note about AI ā€¦ back in the 1970s I played go quite a bit and got reasonably good at it. At that time, chess-playing programs were just beginning to reach the higher levels

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread John F Sowa
Gary F, Jerry LRC, and Jerry R, GF Computability is not the core issue, when you define logic pragmatically as ā€œthe science of the laws of the stable establishment of beliefsā€ (CP 3.429). When you use the term "pragmatically", the issues of how that stable establishment can be achieved in a fi

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's Law

2017-06-13 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, all ... There is also a discussion of Peirce's Law in the article I wrote on Logical Graphs, a topological variant of Peirce's Alpha Graphs I developed in the process of programming a propositional modeler. Here is the InterSciWiki copy: Logical Graph (ISW) http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list: h, I like where this conversation is headed, for you cannot have this conversation without ultimately lighting on syllogism. :) Best, J On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jerry LR Chandler < jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com> wrote: > Gary: > > On Jun 13, 2017, at 1:02 PM, g...@gnusyst

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Gary: > On Jun 13, 2017, at 1:02 PM, g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: > > but as Peirce always said, logic is a positive science while mathematics is > not. Computability is not the core issue, when you define logic pragmatically > as ā€œthe science of the laws of the stable establishment of beliefsā€ (C

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread gnox
John, you wrote ā€œLogicians from Aristotle to Peirce to the present use the *semantic* criterion of preserving truth to justify their *syntactic* rules.ā€ Yes, this is crucial! You canā€™t do formal logic without mathematics, but as Peirce always said, logic is a positive science while mathemati

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread John F Sowa
Jon, You said that in an earlier note, and I corrected it: The just-so-story that relative terms got their meanings by blanking out pieces of meaningful clauses or phrases, along with the analogies to polyunsaturated chemical valences... They tempt one to confuse the syntactic accidents used

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jon A., List: JA: As I am realizing more and more in recent years, analyzing and classifying signs as a substitute for analyzing and classifying objects is the first slip of a slide into nominalism, namely, the idea that the essence or reality of objects is contained in the signs we use to descri

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-13 Thread Eugene Halton
Dear Edwina et al, Regarding your first point. Edwina: "If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that 'empathy', as a societal characteristic, i.e., a habit/Thirdness within a population, might be removed from that population's behaviour. Such a population, I suggest, couldn't last be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-13 Thread John F Sowa
Jon and Jerry, To specify a system of formal logic, there are many equivalent options for choosing the notation, the operators, the definitions, the axioms, and the rules of inference. JA One could hardly dispute the importance of implication relations like A ā‡’ B. The set-theoretic analogues a

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-13 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes : 9 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2017/06/13/the-difference-that-makes-a-difference-that-peirce-makes-9/ Peircers, I took some pains to trace the threads on rhemes, rhemata, etc. back before the U.S. holiday disruptions and the home