RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread kirstima
Gary f. wrote: - “Categories”, “elements”, “Firstness”, “Secondness” and “Thirdness” are all technical terms of Peircean phenomenology... Many mistakes in this. - Just offer one example where CSP explicitly states that these are TECHNICAL TERMS. (If you can.) Categories concern definitely

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 2.13 and 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread kirstima
John, Thank you very much! - I was wondering why I did not find PEG in the list. Now it's all making sense. With gratitude, Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 27.11.2017 09:05: Gary F, Mary L, Kirsti, Jerry LRC, and list, In 1911, Peirce presented his clearest and simplest version of EGs. He ex

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Lowell Lecture 2.13 and 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
John, Kirsti, List ... JFS: > In 1911, Peirce clarified that issues by using two distinct terms: > 'the universe' and 'a sheet of paper'. The sheet is no longer > identified with the universe, and there is no reason why one > couldn't or shouldn't shade a blank area of a sheet. There is a diffe

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread gnox
List, I must apologize to the list for introducing the term "dot" into this discussion, as Peirce actually uses that term not in Lowell 2, but in some of his other explanations of existential graphs, notably CP 4.438: "Let a heavy dot or dash be used in place of a noun which has been erased from

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Cognonto

2017-11-27 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Helmut, List, I had missed that reference and update. Thank you! I have corrected the notes to the table, but have retained his earlier names because they are more commonly referenced and it retains the idea of 'representation', more allied with the idea of knowl

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 2.13 and 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread gnox
John, Unfortunately you've added to the rampant confusion by saying that "a spot is just a very short line of identity.” This is not true of Peirce’s “final preferred version” of EGs because, as you point out yourself, he does not use the term “spot” in that version. And it is not true of Lo

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Lowell Lecture 2.13 and 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread John F Sowa
On 11/27/2017 10:30 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote: JFS: In 1911, Peirce clarified the issues by using two distinct terms: 'the universe' and 'a sheet of paper'.  The sheet is no longer identified with the universe, and there is no reason why one couldn't or shouldn't shade a blank area of a sheet. Ther

[PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 2.15

2017-11-27 Thread gnox
Continuing from Lowell Lecture 2.14, https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-1903-low ell-lecture-ii/display/13623: Now let us further agree that a heavily marked line * , all whose points are ipso facto heavily marked and therefore denote individuals,

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] RE: Categories vs. Elements (was Lowell Lecture 2.14)

2017-11-27 Thread Helmut Raulien
Gary, Jon, List, To the question, whether "categories" are "elements" or "universes" I can say little how Peirce has answered to this, but I would say, based on my contemporary dealing with the difference between composition and classification: I think, that "universes" sounds like classificatio

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] RE: Categories vs. Elements (was Lowell Lecture 2.14)

2017-11-27 Thread Helmut Raulien
    I wrote both, "a sign consists of sign, object, and interpretant", and: "A sign consists of sign relation, object relation, and interpretant relation". To me (in my theory) the first kind of consisting is functional composition, and the latter is composition from traits. I just wanted to add t

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Lowell Lecture 2.13 and 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
John, List ... JFS: This is less restrictive than the definition in the Lowell lectures. For example, it would allow a logician to use a sheet of paper to write a proof by contradiction. In that case, there would be no universe about which the statements on the paper could be true. In that ca

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Lowell Lecture 2.13 and 2.14

2017-11-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
John, List ... JFS: > This is less restrictive than the definition in the Lowell lectures. > For example, it would allow a logician to use a sheet of paper to > write a proof by contradiction. In that case, there would be no > universe about which the statements on the paper could be true. In t