Edwina, List:
I has been a pleasant (and presumably mutual) surprise to discover that, at
least in the specific example of a bird fleeing upon hearing a loud sound,
our analyses of the semiosis involved are substantially in agreement after
all.
- The Dynamic Object (DO) is the loud sound *itse
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}Jon - a few comments:
I agree with all of the phases except for your outline of the
Representamen. I don't agree that the 'neural pattern stands for the
loud sound. That's too mechanical for my view. It sets up th
List:
> On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt
> wrote:
>
> in the specific example of a bird fleeing upon hearing a loud sound, our
> analyses of the semiosis
involves
> The Dynamic Object (DO) is the loud sound itself.
> The Immediate Object (IO) is the bird's sensation of the loud
Edwina, List:
Yes, I acknowledge that your definition of the Representamen is much
broader than mine. Nevertheless, when I say that the neural pattern *stands
for* the loud sound, I am not implying anything mechanical; I am simply
repeating verbatim Peirce's own statement, which he wrote many tim
Jerry C., List:
As I mentioned previously, before moving the conversation to its own
thread, all of the correlates in this example of semiosis happen to be
Existents (2ns). As such, it should not be surprising that our analysis of
it *resembles* "a simplistic causal sequence"; hence Edwina's worr
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}Jon - yes, I see the Representamen quite differently from you. I
think you see it as passive - it 'stands for the Object to the
Interpretant'. Whereas, I see it as an active force of mediation and
transformation. I see it,
Edwina, List:
In that case, I am content for now with the level of agreement that we have
managed to achieve, and thus will not press the matter any further at this
time. I intend to reread and reflect on Peirce's relevant texts like "New
Elements" (1904) and "Pragmatism" (1907) as I continue to
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}Great - I admit I'm surprised we have gotten this far in agreement -
and both of us can continue to reflect on these and other issues...
Edwina
On Fri 02/02/18 8:16 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com
