RE: Aw: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Stephen Jarosek
I think we might be committing something of a category error here with regards to imitation and the categories. Both imitation and entropy relate to and depend on all three categories. But imitation and entropy have to do with integration and disintegration, respectively, and not specifically wi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: The Nature of Peirce's Phenomenology and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-21 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, list, Gary, thanks for starting your promised(?) thread so quickly. I already see that there will be much to discuss for those interested in phenomenology. For one example (and there are others I won't get into now), you and I are certainly presently not in agreement as to the extent of th

[PEIRCE-L] RE: The Nature of Peirce's Phenomenology and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-21 Thread gnox
List, This post follows up on Gary Richmond’s post from yesterday, but I’ve altered the subject line to eliminate some redundancy and the reference to EGs. I’m also assuming that Peirce’s definitions of phenomenology and of the phaneron, which are easily found and quoted, are not enough to give

Re: Aw: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - my point about the importance of 3ns in reducing entropy had nothing to do, I think [I may be wrong] with Autism in any of its forms [including Asperger's]. I can see, however, that 1sn, in the form of iconicity, reduces 'noise' [aka entropy] in communicative interactio

Aw: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, list,   To what you wrote (and with which I agree) I want to add in my own words: Non-autists, in conversations, do a lot of imitation: Affirmation of relations, corrobating what others have said, small-talk, and so on, all that to stabilize the discourse setting, to team-build, maintai

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List I agree that 'imitation addresses the entropy problem' - but, only in part. Imitation functions in a mode of Firstness and although it produces similarity of Type, such a result would decimate the capacity of

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Auke van Breemen
Stephen, As a cautionary remark. I found there is an astonishing amount of variation between people labeled with autism on many different axis. To name just one. Some start talking about their interest and do not stop, others remain silent. And with the first some concentrate on facts, others o

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Stephen Jarosek
>"Is there a difference in the way you try to establish contact and teach that >depends on the hypothesis you work with?" Absolutely. The dominance of the genocentric narrative predisposes us to assuming that there is something inherently "wrong" with the autistic that needs fixing. A circuitry

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-21 Thread Auke van Breemen
List, Jerry reminded me of: The dress of an attendee by a diner caught fire. Herbert Peirce, a brother, jumped up immediately and extinguished the fire as it ought to be done. Afterwards Charles asked him how he could have been so quick and adequate in his response. Herbert answered: