Aw: Re: Re: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Genuinely triadic relations, laws and symbols

Supplement: But I still have the following suspicion: To involve means to contain, the noun is involvement, and not involution, which I suspect to be a creationist antithesis to evolution. So, if a sign involves the triadic relation, it "is" it in the sense of adjective, like to say a flower is bl

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuinely triadic relations, laws and symbols

Dan, Gary R., Ben, List: The Harvard page for the Peirce Papers states right at the top, "More than 100,000 pages of working notes and drafts by the influential philosopher and scientist." Only about half of these are included in t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuinely triadic relations, laws and symbols

Thanks very much, Ben. If it is 60% drawings, then we are down to 10 million words. I suspect the answer is somewhere in the middle of 25 and 10 million. Dan > On Apr 17, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Ben Udell wrote: > > Gary, Dan, > > The 100,000-page estimate comes from Joe Ransdell. > > The manu

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Gary, Dan, The 100,000-page estimate comes from Joe Ransdell. The manuscript material now (1997) comes to more than a hundred thousand pages. These contain many pages of no philosophical interest, but the number of pages on philosophy certainly number much more than half of that. Als

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics and Complex Adaptive Systems

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, list Yes - I fully agree; languages are complex adaptive systems and the article you provide is excellent. From the article: "If one accepts the basic idea that languages are complex systems com-p

[PEIRCE-L] Semiotics and Complex Adaptive Systems

Edwina, List, As I mentioned in an earlier message, the French mathematician, Rene Thom, applied his catastrophe theory to semiotics. I vaguely recalled this as a point made in a class I took in Chaos Theory given by my friend and colleague, Alan Wolf (one of the founders of the first, the mathema

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Dan, List, Thanks, Dan. I had a feeling that if anyone would take up that challenge--and meet it--it would be you. I would have expected a very large number of words, but not *that* large a number! Btw, how did you come to assume 100,000 pages? Have I seen that estimate somewhere before? OK, here

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R, list Thanks for your post and comments - and for your reference to Rene Thom, who was one of the first I ever read on complexity and catastrophe theory. And enjoy the Milford event - I'm sure it w

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A back of the envelope calculation is that CSP wrote app 25 million words. I assume 10 pages at 25 lines to a page 10 words to a line. But in that neighborhood. Some published papers were much denser some handwritten pages much less. Dan Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2019, at 16:47,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuinely triadic relations, laws and symbols

John, Edwina, Jeff, List, John wrote: JS: Peirce frequently said that he thinks in diagrams and that he has considerable difficulty in translating his thoughts into words. I'm not sure how frequently he said it, but Peirce certainly did say it, and no doubt he thought essentially in diagrams. T

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce was fallible, and so are we (was Genuinely triadic...

Edwina, I changed the subject line to emphasize fallibility. See below for some quotations in which Peirce admits his own limitations. Peirce would *never* say that any universal principle is the absolutely final truth. But he did say that it's possible to detect falsehood. One example is suf

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list I agree. All thought is in images/diagrams - and translating these into words is difficult. And then, having others insist that one must use these words and only these words - and thus, ignore the image

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Jon, list,   Ok then, I guess, to "involve" does not mean to "contain" in the sense of composition, as I had thought.   Best regards, Helmut   16. April 2019 um 23:05 Uhr "Jon Alan Schmidt"   Helmut, List:   On the contrary, the first quote below does not corroborate the view that the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuinely triadic relations, laws and symbols

Jeff, Edwina, and Gary R, Peirce frequently said that he thinks in diagrams and that he has considerable difficulty in translating his thoughts into words. When Peirce or anybody else is doing diagrammatic reasoning, some words may be helpful as explanations. But as soon as we are clear about w