Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

2020-05-05 Thread Gary Richmond
Jon, Robert, List, JAS: Overall, we seem to be more or less on the same page. GR: I think that's so. JAS: I understand the impetus for using "presupposition" rather than "involution," since the former term is more familiar to modern mathematicians and logicians than the latter. GR: I too

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Nature of the Sign itself, was, Different Semeiotic Analyses (was tree-structure)

2020-05-05 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I think I'll follow Peirce's outline, which asserts that the qualisign is a Sign. As he wrote, "Signs are divisible by three trichotomies; first, according as the sign in itself is a mere

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

2020-05-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., Robert, List: Overall, we seem to be more or less on the same page. I understand the impetus for using "presupposition" rather than "involution," since the former term is more familiar to modern mathematicians and logicians than the latter. I have no objection to saying that 3ns

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Nature of the Sign itself, was, Different Semeiotic Analyses (was tree-structure)

2020-05-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., List: I would say that the color of the paint chip is a tone that inheres in a token, not a quality that *in itself* is a sign. The paint chip is certainly not a pure icon, as a qualisign would have to be, since it is also an index of the paint that the shopper intends to buy. In that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

2020-05-05 Thread Gary Richmond
Robert, List, Robert wrote: RM: I spent a year extracting all the definitions of the sign that Peirce could have imagined and I was not disappointed since I found 76; they're on peirce.org. I have taken this effort when I realized the incredible number of scholars who thought in a non-critical

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Helmut, I've been trying to get back to your message of 4/12/2020 under the subject line "Categories and Speculative Grammar", but I'll reply under Robert's original subject line as the profusion of titles has been derailing my train of thought. Some of the material you allude to below has gone

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

2020-05-05 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert - thank you so much for your '76 definitions of the Sign'. It's an excellent source - As you say- there are 'impossible triangles and confusions'. Your list of what Peirce actually mean by the sign-as-a- triad - is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

2020-05-05 Thread Robert Marty
Gary, Jon Alan, List I fully respect yours concerns and of course it is clear that everyone can invest them in the podium that is quite honored. For the part concerning me I see no difficulty in using "involution" rather than "presupposition" and I do not think I have strayed too far from Peirce