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With respect to the role of “existence”, this concept varies widely in
different disciplines. As is often the case, I find John Sowa’s views to be
troublesome because of the over-generalizations. While the concept of
“generalization” is often a necessary presupposition of mathematical pr
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Gary - thank you for your post. But - how does my expressing my view
that theory doesn't exist 'per se' but has to be 'tested' for its
fallibility [ ie, moved into seeing whether it can explain the real
world] ..how does t
Edwina, List,
Edwina, please *do* proceed with what *you* consider to be the kind of
inquiry that you consider to be most proper, or most important (or however
you conceive of it) on this list and off, your particular 'practical
application' of theory emphasis certainly being valuable and importan
Helmut, List:
Unfortunately only the "valency" table is correct and relevant, since the
second and third trichotomies of Peirce's 1903 taxonomy are not for the
(dynamical) object and (final) interpretant as *correlates *(2.2.1 and
3.3.1), but rather for their dyadic *relations *with the sign (2.2.
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}Gary R - you may consider my calls for seeking to increase the depth
and scope of analysis of Peircean semiotic theory by moving its models
into pragmatic examination and analysis of the real world - as an act
of 'intolera
List,
It would once again appear that Edwina and John expect everyone to have
always and only the same interests as they do. Edwina, for
example, characterizes anything else, notably, theorizing, as "an
irrelevant exercise" undertaken only by people who "prefer the isolation
and comfort of what [s
Edwina, I strongly agree with that point:
ET> Helmut - your own
experiences in 'the real world' are what you should be trying to
understand - semiosically.
Abstract theories are useless, unless
they can be applied to something useful. Chess and Go, for example, are
mathematical theories w
Edwina,
thank you for your appeal to focus on real world and examples! Praxis and theory must go hand in hand, alternatingly. I admit, that I too show the tendency to dig too deeply into theory instead of checking it with reality at each stage. Praxis and theory is a hen-and-egg thing, and you
Helmut - your own experiences in 'the real world' are what you
should be trying to understand - semiosically.
That is, aren't you interested in how, for example, people have
reacted to verbal talk about 'a virus' and how they have used their
past knowledge even if pure fiction
Edwina,
Haha! I cannot explain the real world! It is a mystery to me. I am just trying to understand my own experiences a little bit, by trying to tentatively apply one or the other theory to them. And theories do consist of diagrams, tables, formulas, and terms. How else but by "focus on terms
Helmut - my point is that if one just substitutes one 'name/term'
for another - that is an irrelevant exercise.
Well, perhaps it might be relevant in a game show or crossword
puzzle - but semiosis isn't about such things. Semiosis has a
function - to actually objectively examin
Edwina,
That is right, I have just used what I have learnt from this list (thank you), like valency or categorial order / determination order/ involution order, or thought to have learnt, to combine it, and now I just have checked this way of combining it by the list of the ten classes- see bel
Helmut - What I feel that you did - is just give a 'name' to another
'name'.
So- you said that a 'street cry' can also be termed a 'dicent
indexical legisign'. Two terms, two names. But this doesn't examine
how it helps us understand the nature of that street cry by giving it
Edwina, List,
yes, I will think of some examples. Before I know, whether what I wrote is correct, I give the example about the dicentic indexical legisign and its involutional and determinational consequences according to Peirce´s examples:
A dicentic indexical legisign is for instance "A s
Helmut - I think it would be helpful to provide a real life example!
That is - semiosis has to move beyond words and yes, beyond the
delights of tables and formulae - and into the real world. How do
these 'signs' actually function in the real world?
Edwina
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Jon, List,
Thank you! I have drawn (see attachment) three tables about three trichotomies/ ten classes. One is the known signs table (valency), the others are about determination and involution. What to do with them? My idea is for example
(only pay attention, if it is not all false): (:
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