Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread John F Sowa
Edwina, Jon, List, The following observation is a good starting point for analyzing the development iof Peirce's thought and writing from 1903 to 1908 and later: ET: I note that JAS seems to refer to his examination of the hexadic semiosic process as within the linguistic realm. If this outlin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I will try to answer in pints: > On Apr 4, 2024, at 8:18 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > > Edwina, List: > > In light of our longstanding and all-too-often contentious disagreements > about Peirce's speculative grammar, I generally prefer to refrain from direct > engagement these days, but I h

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, List: I have likewise already read (and carefully studied) about a dozen articles by Tony Jappy, as well as his 2017 book, *Peirce's Twenty-Eight Sign Classes and the Philosophy of Representation*. Why assume otherwise? I still disagree with him on destinate=final and explicit=immediate (as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: In light of our longstanding and all-too-often contentious disagreements about Peirce's speculative grammar, I generally prefer to refrain from direct engagement these days, but I have decided to make an exception in this case. Hopefully, I will not regret it. ET: I am aware that JA

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread John F Sowa
Jon, I have read your comments, and I have read several articles by Tony Jappy that explain these issues in far greater depth and generality. I strongly urge you to study his writings. John From: "Jon Alan Schmidt" Sent: 4/4/24 12:39 PM To: Peirce-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List I am aware that JAS’s use of ‘determines’ is not synonymous with ‘causes’ or ‘precedes’ - but is ‘logically constrains’. However, something that ‘logically constrains’ DOES, functionally operate as causal and precedent to other forces- otherwise - how would it function as that constraint?.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: While I am at it, I might as well elaborate on my third reason for believing that the proper order of the interpretant trichotomies for sign classification is final, then dynamical, then immediate--namely, the ten sign classes that result from applying the rule of determination are much more

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List I think it’s almost useless to discuss these issues, since I’m aware that JAS has his set of beliefs about the Peircean framework - and I [ and others] - have our own beliefs - which may or may not, align with his. But just a few points: 1] JAS quote Peirce: “ No matter what his opinion a