Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-13 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Gary: I wonder what it could mean to be “bound by” a symbol introduced > by somebody else, if (as you wrote) “the purpose of the person who > coins a word should not constrain the way that others may use it.” > John: To avoid confusion, anyone who uses a word should be consistent with its defini

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-12 Thread John F Sowa
Gary, I wonder what it could mean to be “bound by” a symbol introduced by somebody else, if (as you wrote) “the purpose of the person who coins a word should not constrain the way that others may use it.” To avoid confusion, anyone who uses a word should be consistent with its definition. My

RE: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-12 Thread gnox
u can explain that. Gary f. -Original Message- From: John F Sowa [mailto:s...@bestweb.net] Sent: 12-Jan-18 10:19 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11 Gary, With some qualifications, I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-12 Thread John F Sowa
Gary, With some qualifications, I agree with your one paragraph summary, and so would Kilgarriff, Atkins, and Peirce. And I have always agreed with Peirce's ethics of terminology. Some comments on what the four of us (AK, SA, CSP, and me) agree with: I think my main point is clear enough, “al

RE: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-12 Thread gnox
don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11 Gary, I admit that I was annoyed by your note -- because you were dismissing or belittling experts in lexicography and other fields such as NLP. Many people working on NLP have PhDs and research contributions in philosophy, lin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-11 Thread John F Sowa
Gary, I admit that I was annoyed by your note -- because you were dismissing or belittling experts in lexicography and other fields such as NLP. Many people working on NLP have PhDs and research contributions in philosophy, linguistics, logic, and mathematics -- fields in which Peirce was a major

RE: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-11 Thread gnox
communicate with others about the nature of verbal communication. And I do care about that. Gary f. -Original Message- From: John F Sowa [mailto:s...@bestweb.net] Sent: 10-Jan-18 15:45 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-10 Thread kirstima
John, list If and when "formal languages" end up with attepts at eliminating flexibility in natural languages, it will not be natural languages which will get defeated. Just take a quick look at the history. All proof lies in the side of natural languages. John wrote: "Since teachers use N

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-10 Thread John F Sowa
Gary, Continuity in meaning is fundamental to the flexibility of natural languages (NLs). But the formal languages of logic, mathematics, and computer science gain precision by reducing or eliminating that flexibility. They do so by severely restricting the range of meanings. Since teachers us

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-10 Thread kirstima
In regard of the title in this chain, I'd like add: If anyone has written a huge amount of definitions on anything does not, by itself, prove that those are even on the right tract. Words come easy. Tests on the thougts conveyed do not. Best, Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 9.1.2018 16:04: On

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-10 Thread kirstima
Linguistists and lexicographers may be and often are experts in language, but they are no experts in questions on human mind or the nature of human understanding. The best of them acknowledge this fact. No onesided expertice can overcome this dilemma. Both sides of any coin are needed. Just as

RE: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-10 Thread gnox
. I’ve inserted the rest of my response between your lines. Gary f. -Original Message- From: John F Sowa [mailto:s...@bestweb.net] Sent: 9-Jan-18 17:43 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11 G

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-09 Thread John F Sowa
Gary, I just read your article. Peirce, Kilgarriff, Atkins, and I would not agree with the following claim: I dealt with polysemy extensively in /Turning Signs/ — and went beyond it in Chapter 2 (http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/dlg.htm) by coining the word “polyversity” to include not only polyse

Re: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-09 Thread John F Sowa
On 1/9/2018 9:46 AM, g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: I haven’t found time to read the article you cite, John Please read that article. It's worth the time. John - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L

RE: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-09 Thread gnox
ohn F Sowa [mailto:s...@bestweb.net] Sent: 9-Jan-18 09:05 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: [PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11 On 1/8/2018 5:14 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > I also think, that philosophers are not a class. Everybody is a >

[PEIRCE-L] "I don't believe in word senses." (was Lowell Lecture 3.11

2018-01-09 Thread John F Sowa
On 1/8/2018 5:14 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: I also think, that philosophers are not a class. Everybody is a philosopher somehow, and every philosopher is a non-philosopher somehow too, especially Nietzsche. You can make a similar claim about almost any word in any language. For an analysis of t