RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions

2015-04-27 Thread gnox
Vehkavaara [mailto:tommi.vehkava...@uta.fi] Sent: April 27, 2015 10:58 AM To: peirce-l at list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions Jerry, You wrote (26 Apr 2015 17:14:19) More specifically, consider CSP's letter to Lady Welby, p. 7, Oct. 12, 1904.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions

2015-04-27 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Tommi, lists You're right, the correct quote is: "Secondness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, with respect to a second but regardless of any third" (8.328) Best F - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIR

"Secondness is that mode of being of that which is such as it is, without respect to a second but regardless of any third." was: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions

2015-04-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Tommi: On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Tommi Vehkavaara wrote: Tommi: First, is the quote correct: "...without respect to a second..." which sounds very odd if the Secondness is talked about? Secondly, at least I have always seen Bateson's idea of information as a difference that makes difference

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions,

2015-04-27 Thread Catherine Legg
Frederik this is extremely helpful, thank you! On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: > Dear Gary, John, lists > > It is correct that Firstness is no abstraction in the sense of Hypostatic > Abstraction (even if the *term* Firstness is such an abstraction). But > Firstness

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions

2015-04-27 Thread Tommi Vehkavaara
Jerry, You wrote (26 Apr 2015 17:14:19) More specifically, consider CSP's letter to Lady Welby, p. 7, Oct. 12, 1904. and his clear distinction between Firstness and Secondness. "Secondness is that mode of being of that which is such as it is, without respect to a second but regardless of any

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions,

2015-04-26 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Frederik, List: >From the perspective of the chemical sciences, I find your strong conclusions >to be questionable. More specifically, consider CSP's letter to Lady Welby, p. 7, Oct. 12, 1904. and his clear distinction between Firstness and Secondness. "Secondness is that mode of being of tha

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8465] Re: Natural Propositions,

2015-04-26 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Gary, John, lists It is correct that Firstness is no abstraction in the sense of Hypostatic Abstraction (even if the term Firstness is such an abstraction). But Firstness as such is an abstraction in the sense of "prescission" or "prescissive abstraction" - It is often overlooked how P's c