[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2021-01-17 Thread John F. Sowa
Azamat,  People observe the intension/extension distinction  without learning the name for the distinction. AA>It implies that operational meanings or definitions could be more significant than an intension/extension or representation/reference or connotation/denotation dichotomy.  Languages

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2021-01-17 Thread John F. Sowa
Helmut, In every version of language and logic -- ancient or modern, informal or formal -- the intensional definition is fundamental.  It corresponds to the definition you'll find in a typical dictionary of any natural  language or in any formal specification in science, engineering, business, o

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2021-01-17 Thread Helmut Raulien
John,   yes, but isn´t it so, that in mathematics and symbolic logic, if the extension is known i.e. covered by proofs, an intensional term can be equivalent with an extensional one, and this is called "classical logic"? That is, if I am right, that e.g. "NOT (A AND NOT B)" is extensional, and me

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2021-01-16 Thread John F. Sowa
Helmut, The distinction between intesion and extension is important for every version of logic since antiquity.  The oldest example is "rational animal" vs. "featherless biped" -- those are two terms with different intensions, but the same extension. Diogenes the Cynic plucked a chicken and thr

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2021-01-16 Thread John F. Sowa
Terry, I completely agree with what you wrote (copy below).  But I emphasized database relations because they are the most commonly used examples of relations that are defined by extension. However, the meaning of the data is specified by the rules or axioms that state the intensions.  Those sp

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2021-01-16 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jon, John,   just a thought: Might it be, that in classical mathematics and logic there is not distinguished between intension and extension, and in intuitionistic logic there is? For example, "NOT (A AND NOT B)" is an extensionistic proposition, or the extension of the relation, but "IF A THEN B

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2021-01-16 Thread John F. Sowa
Jon A, It's important to distinguish the intension and the extension of a function or relation.  The *intension* is its definition by a rule or set of axioms.  The *extension* is the set of instances in some domain or universe of discourse: JA> We can now define a “relation” L as a subset of a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2020-12-31 Thread Skaggs,Steven
Just a note : Is it not possible to do a “Command-K” and make a single word or phrase a link to web site pages? That would avoid the pasting of immense patches of code on the page. Just a suggestion. —SxS On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: CAUTION: This email originated from outs

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2020-10-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon - thank you for these posts. I particularly like your comment that 'signhood is a ROLE in a triadic relation, a role that a thing bears or plays in a given context of relationships - it is not an absolute, non

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory

2020-10-10 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • 1 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/10/10/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relation-theory-1/ To understand how signs work in Peirce's theory of triadic sign relations, or “semiotics”, we have to understand, in order of increasing generali

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations

2020-05-28 Thread John F. Sowa
Biosemiotic has two branches:  zoosemiotic and phytosemiotic. For a review of the literature about plants up to 2016, see "Intelligence, cognition, and language of green plants", by Anthony Trewavas: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845027/ The Wikipedia article on plant perception

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2020-05-28 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }What it means to be that mediative sign/representamen? As Robert Marty clearly pointed out, it includes a build-up of a generalized knowledge base which functions to mediate that input energy/data/information [which in thi

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations

2020-05-28 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Sign Relations • Anthesis At: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/28/sign-relations-%e2%80%a2-anthesis/ Thus, if a sunflower, in turning towards the sun, becomes by that very act fully capable, without further condition, of reproducing a sunflower which turns in precisely corresponding w

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relations

2018-05-10 Thread Jon Awbrey
Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relations • 1 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2018/05/09/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relations-%e2%80%a2-1/ Peircers, Questions of a sort readers of Peirce address under the head of pragmatic semiotics have arisen in the Ontolog Forum, devoted to contempora

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations

2018-02-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon Awbrey, list: Thanks for your post - and specifically, for your comment: "the greater significance of the transformation he suggests at these points is not the shift from one type of interpreter t

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations

2018-02-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Ontologgers, These issues go way way back and my notes tell me I've been trying to write something along these lines for at least a year but I was prompted to return to the question by a post from John Sowa to the Peirce List, so I've copied that below. There's a better-formatted copy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations Archive

2017-02-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
Thanks for searching, Jon. I finally found it, it was between Orliaguet & Inna Semetsky, not & Kirsti. My bad. See the message that I just sent to peirce-l - Best, Ben On 2/2/2017 10:56 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote: Peircers, I went looking for the mentioned exchange between Jean-Marc Orliaguet and K

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relations Archive

2017-02-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, I went looking for the mentioned exchange between Jean-Marc Orliaguet and Kirsti Määttänen and have not found it yet, but I did run across an archive of canonical selections from Peirce and previous discussions on Sign Relations that may be of use. It looks like I left off prettifying t