Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-19 Thread Stephen C. Rose
> > A system is a system regardless whether it is a human abstraction or not. > A system could be real in the Peirce sense that what it does is independent > of what we think. I am tempted to say nothing is just anything. Everything > is something. A weather system is real. A system for

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-19 Thread Stephen Jarosek
Irrespective of the semiotic-relational aspects of a silicon atom with other atoms, molecules and crystals within a rock, a rock is not a holon (mind-body) to which the principles of semiotics and pragmatism can apply. The notion is credible within localized contexts, such as crystal formation,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John, Stephen: A few technical comment from a chemist may be helpful here because the semiotics of chemical sciences developed a forma logic for relationships among all chemical elements. The logical formalism is virtually complete but minor enhancements are necessary from time to time

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I think that anywhere that choice can be said to exist there freedom also exists and from our point of view and perhaps all others chance as well. I think we are on the threshold of learning more and more about the reality of which we are all part. In the song "Idiot Wind" Dylan says 'it's a

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Stephen Jarosek
John, Edwina Even though I am not a chemist, I chose my words very carefully! My choice of the two words "silicon molecule" specifically precludes the word "atom". What you are saying, with regards to how a silicon atom combines with other atoms into molecules is fine. And then there is the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } John - exactly, I fully agree - and nicely said. AND in addition, all these processes are semiosic and involve Mind. Edwina On Sun 18/02/18 10:24 AM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: On 2/18/2018 7:40 AM,

[PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread John F Sowa
On 2/18/2018 7:40 AM, Stephen Jarosek wrote: As far as the silicon molecule is concerned, the stone has no context that is relevant to it. The silicon molecule receives no cue from the stone as to what its properties should be. That is not true. A silicon atom behaves in very different ways