RE: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-05 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Ben, lists, OK, let me put it this way: a rheme can “denote” a range of possibilities — but only if it is a symbol. Same goes for a predicate, which is symbolic by virtue of being a necessary part of a proposition, which is a symbol (and by virtue of being verbal). To elaborate on this, I’ll

Re: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-05 Thread Benjamin Udell
reader’ of the sign /about/ the object (which, though singular, can also be quite complex). Rhemes, predicates and icons This is crucial for understanding the syntax of the dicisign, which is the subject of NP 3.7. gary f. From: Benjamin Udell *Sent:* 4-Oct-14 7:35 PM *To:* peirce-l@list.iup

RE: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-05 Thread Gary Fuhrman
: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign? Gary F., Tom, list, Gary, are you sure you're not confusing denotation with designation or indication? The denotation of 'red' is all red things, or the population of red things; the comprehension (or significance) of '

Re: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-04 Thread Tom Gollier
Gary and list, A does signify B in the first part of the quote. That's what I took as the "operational" sense. But in the second part of the quote it says: "If a sign, A, only denotes real objects that are a part or the whole of the objects denoted by another sign, B, then A is said to be a

Re: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-04 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary F., Tom, list, Gary, are you sure you're not confusing denotation with designation or indication? The denotation of 'red' is all red things, or the population of red things; the comprehension (or significance) of 'red' is the quality _/red/ _ and all that that implies. That's why denotati

RE: [biosemiotics:7087] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-04 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Tom, I’m afraid you’re adding to the confusion here by talking about “two kinds of denotation.” In a proposition, the subject denotes objects, while the predicate signifies characters. This is what Peirce is saying in your quote from “Kaina Stoicheia” (MS 517), and it’s the standard terminol