RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Sungchul Ji
ical universe as we know it; but > that's quite different from an inconceivability claim. > > gary f. > > -Original Message----- > From: Sungchul Ji [mailto:s...@rci.rutgers.edu] > Sent: 2-Nov-14 10:33 AM > To: Gary Fuhrman > Cc: 'Peirce List';

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
im. gary f. -Original Message- From: Sungchul Ji [mailto:s...@rci.rutgers.edu] Sent: 2-Nov-14 10:33 AM To: Gary Fuhrman Cc: 'Peirce List'; 'biosemiotics list' Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four Gary F, I agree with most of what

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Sungchul Ji
e by correlating the semiotic system with a cognitive > system which is necessarily also a biological system, all of these systems > involving layers of self-reference. > > > > But I'll leave it there for now, and try to pick up this idea in > connection > with Chapter

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
h that; they are attempts to depict the process of reasoning as iconically as possible. gary f. From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: 2-Nov-14 12:13 AM To: Peirce List Cc: Jeffrey Brian Downard Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositi

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
he question of what kinds of bonds can be formed between different kinds of elements and less by the series of of atomic numbers. --Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 ________ From: Gary Fuhrman [g...@gnusy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jerry, can you elaborate on why the numbered items in the following statement of yours pose logical difficulties and how these difficulties may arise from Peirce's incomplete understanding of the periodic table of his time? " . . . it plays a critical role in the logic of the (110114-1)

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: (NB: This post contains many technical terms which are used within the rhetoric of chemistry but not acceptable to many philosophers.) On Nov 1, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote: > At root, what Peirce seems to see is that the underlying organization of the > periodic chart

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
phy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Gary Fuhrman [g...@gnusystems.ca] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 7:11 AM To: 'Peirce List'; 'biosemiotics list' Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four Edwina, than

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Sungchul Ji
x27;t understand this statement. A molecular formula, > to me, as a set of letters/words, has a purely symbolic relation to the > actual chemical components.The chemical composition would be a > legisign (a sinsign is "an actual existent thing or event which is a sign" > 2.245)

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ry Fuhrman" To: "'Peirce List'" ; "'biosemiotics list'" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four Edwina, thanks for this very useful summary, and for citing your sources

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Gary Fuhrman
the main topic of NP. gary f. -Original Message- From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca] Sent: 1-Nov-14 9:08 AM To: Jerry LR Chandler; Peirce List; biosemiotics list Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four Jerry 1) The nine terms

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
a sign" (2.245) while a legisign "is a law that is a Sign. This law is usually established by menit is not a single object but a general type"...2.246. Edwina - Original Message - From: "Jerry LR Chandler" To: "Peirce List" Cc: "Gary Fuhrma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jerry, list, "The molecular formula is an (103114-1) index of the sinsign, is it not?" Yes. It is, but sinsign is not the only kinds of signs. As you know, there are in addition the qualisign and the legisign, and each is irreversibly triadic being associated with i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung: Thank you for repeating your personal philosophy. It is a source of curiosity to me. Unfortunately, your response simply adds many logical terms and propositions that are not directly related to the writings of CSP. Why do you feel at liberty to corrupt the original meanings of C

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Edwina Taborsky
x27;s posts - and to also consider that these posted discussions are within the range of the focus raised by Frederik's NP book. Edwina - Original Message - From: "Gary Fuhrman" To: ; "'Peirce list'" Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Sung, I wrote that (without the duplication of terms that you inserted) in response to Edwina's claim that "we need clearer definitions" of those three terms. She didn't say what was unclear about the Peircean definitions that NP's argument is based on - indeed, she didn't refer directly to NP at a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: A factual question concerning CSP writings, relative to Gary's and Sung's recent assertions and FS assertions wrt to the meanings of rhetorical logic. Why are rhetorical terms grouped together, anyway? I recall a passage that states the second and third rows of the triadic triad are bot

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Sungchul Ji
Gary F wrote: " . . . we should use the Peircean definitions of "symbol", "argument" and "Dicisign",“symbol”, “argument” and “Dicisign”. I am a bit confused here, since symbol is a representamen-object relation, while dicisign and armgument are the representamen-interpretant relations. Are you

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Edwina, it seems to me that for purposes of discussing Natural Propositions, we should use the Peircean definitions of "symbol", "argument" and "Dicisign", because that's what Frederik is doing in NP. Peirce's definitions can be found in EP2:272 ff. His definition of "symbol" in Baldwin's Dictionar