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Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 ------------- From: Helmut Raulien Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:34 AM To: tabor...@primus.ca Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; Jeffrey Brian Downard Subject: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and

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o offer for the sake of developing a philosophical theory of ethics or a theory of logic as semiotics. Yours, Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday,

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Part of my post remained in French. I apologize for that. "I consider that the text below is fundamental to justify the use of a new concept that will fulfill this function of "social counter-reaction" of individual semiosis:" Best, RM Le lun. 25 mai 2020 à 12:19, robert marty a écrit : > Edwina

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Edwina, Jon Alan, Helmut, List Most of the discussions on the list have focused philosophical questions on final causes, efficient causes, goals, etc. ... and many disagreements have been found ... I would point out that these discussions focus on what is happening in the interpretants of the hexa

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of nature and the systems that are governed by these laws are more > plausible than those that fit the models of A-C and F. > > Hope that helps. > > --Jeff > Jeffrey Downard > Associate Professor > Department of Philosophy > Northern Arizona University > (o) 928 523-83

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hern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Helmut Raulien Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:34 AM To: tabor...@primus.ca Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; Jeffrey Brian Downard Subject: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end .

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Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:45:57 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)   Robert, Helmut, List:   RM:  In this response, afte

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frey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 ----- From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:45:57 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestin

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ay 23, 2020 6:45:57 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...) Robert, Helmut, List: RM: In this response, after acknowledging our differences, you use CSP's statements as an argument of authority. HR:

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Robert, Helmut, List: RM: In this response, after acknowledging our differences, you use CSP's statements as an argument of authority. HR: Peirce is not necessarily always right, is he? This comment and question both indicate a misunderstanding of my intent. I am not suggesting that there m

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, list Yes - I see your point and agree. Certainly, if the FI in ONE semiosic process was in a mode of Thirdness, then, the 'preceding' nodes of the process could not be in any other mode than Thirdness.

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Edwina ,Helmut, List The final interpretant certainly is a change of habit (which may be the preservation of habit or the return to old habits) but it can not be only a Thirdness . If this were the case there would be only one class of hexadics signs : Od3àOi3àS3àX3àY3àZ3 in some system X,Y,Z of

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Jon Alan , List In this response, after acknowledging our differences, you use CSP's statements as an argument of authority. Indeed, the quotation CP 1.204 states a proposal according to without a final cause there would be no evolution, arguing that evolution itself is the realization of an end,

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Helmut, list - I wonder if we are mixing terms. Final cause and the final interpretant are not at all similar. 1] Final Cause is not the same as Final Interpretant. Peirce locates the three interpretants in order of, as I see it, of emergence in the semiosic

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Jon, List,   Peirce is not necessarily always right, is he? "For evolution is nothing more nor less than the working out of a definite end", is theism and speculation, isn´t it? One may also assume, that evolution is continuous adaption without an end. And when he wrote "A final cause may be conc

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Robert, List: Thanks for providing this creative answer to some of my questions, which I have been pondering carefully. It confirms that we have very different theories about semeiosis, and apparently very different interpretations of Peirce's writings on that subject. For one thing, he explicit

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Jon Alan, List I'd rather we stay on the list. I have clues that suggest that people are interested; if some are embarrassed they have no obligation ... Today I will answer your questions using another rhetorical means, the parable ... "*A **parable is a succinct, didactic

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Robert, List: I only have more questions at this point. If you prefer to answer any or all of them off-List, that would be fine with me. Is it your view that "determines" is *always *a synonym for "efficiently causes"? If so, why would it entail that the universe to which any one correlate belo

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Jon Alan, List To answer your questions I found it more convenient to answer in your message, you'll excuse me... I am glad to learn that I was successful in clarifying my position for you. Thanks for also spelling out yours, although I still have some theoretical comments and questions before w

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Robert, List: I am glad to learn that I was successful in clarifying my position for you. Thanks for also spelling out yours, although I still have some theoretical comments and questions before we can start trying to discuss specific examples. First, you describe the succession of the destinate

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, list Thank you so much for an absolutely perfect outline and analysis of the hexadic semiosic process. Edwina On Wed 20/05/20 10:28 AM , robert marty robert.mart...@gmail.com sent: Thank

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Thank you Jon Alan, this is really helpful and I thank you very much for making this extreme clarification effort. I could have written the first two paragraphs up to the number "729" and this is already a very important achievement. I can see the disagreement. To be sure, it is worth verifying th

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Dear JAS, list, Thank you for all your work in collating. *Now let us turn to the phaneron and see what we find in fact. (CP 1.299)* With best wishes, Jerry R On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 9:38 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > List: > > Speculating is easy and sometimes even fun, but I suggest th