Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Yes - I like that outline by Peirce as well. The first stage if we can call it that, after 'nothing', is chaos [Firstness] and then, the second stage is Thirdness where Mind begins to take charge and develop habits of organization - which permit the discrete 'bits' of Secondness to actua

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-26 Thread Auke van Breemen
Edwina, With regard to the estimate of final stage I always am of the opinion that we can only reasonably discuss it afterwards as to its true nature. I have no religious inclinations, but can have sympathy with certain religious expressions. I do like Spinoza's naturalization of god. Wha

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-26 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Auke, list Thanks for the link and the interesting comments about the artistic process. My comment is only about the cosmological outline, and of course reflects my own view. As an atheist, I have a problem with the anthropomorphic transformation of 'Mind' [which is a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-26 Thread Auke van Breemen
John, A good summary of Peirce's take on esthetics is to be found at: http://www.signosemio.com/peirce/esthetics.asp A nice feat of the description is that it contains some fine remarks on Peirce's conception of God. In the end, I think, that Peirce could regard any work on art less feeble onl

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-25 Thread John F. Sowa
Iris and Jerry R, The question of what Peirce knew or thought about deriving ethics from esthetics is problematical. He analyzed issues of science and logic to such a great depth, that his knowledge of esthetics would seem trivial by comparison, at least to himself.   But before claiming that Pe

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-15 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supplement: At the end of my post I meant "utilitarist maxim", not "universalist maxim". Jerry, List,   I am sure, that waiting for the action of others does not mean not doing and thinking anything while waiting. The professor is talking to young students, so he puts the esteem on them, bu

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-15 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jerry, List,   I am sure, that waiting for the action of others does not mean not doing and thinking anything while waiting. The professor is talking to young students, so he puts the esteem on them, but he does not superestimate them over his own age group. An esthetical or ethical sign has two

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-06-14 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list, I have tried to stay quiet but this statement really offends me: “So now I will tell you what nobody has told you before this; *that we older folks are waiting for you*.” It is as though the older folk have forgotten their obligation to address the following criticism: 'Why