[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread csthorne
I am pretty sure Peirce would disagree. For Peirce the entire universe (and by that he means something far beyond the mere "existent" universe) "is perfused with signs, if not composed exclusively of signs." See, e.g., "The Basis of Pragmaticism in the Normative Sciences" in EP2. Sincerely, Cre

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen
Some short reply. To set things straight, I am not a Dr. My title is Drs, it is for completing my university studies. I might get the other one in about 2 months, but do not have the right to use that one yet. I am sure signs can not operate, even not exist, without living beings. To create

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Jim Piat
Joe writes (about New Elements): [[ Overall, I find the rationale of it baffling. It is not a complete paper of course, but even considered as only an intended preface to a book on the logic of mathematics, it is seems puzzlingly incomplete, at the least. Why does he start off with the the

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Jim Piat
Of course, not to restart an old debate... I am curious about how the following lines are going to be interpreted: "We have a direct knowledge of real objects in every experiential reaction, whether of /Perception/ or of /Exertion/ (the one theoretical, the other practical). These are direct

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Gary,   Yes that seems so to me  -- symbols like laws are general.  They are what binds the ephemeral here and now.   I'm trying to come up with a thoughtful reponse to Dr Berendsen's earlier comment that we are the engines of interpretation.  In one sense I agree and in another I'm not

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread gnusystems
Joe writes (about New Elements): [[ Overall, I find the rationale of it baffling. It is not a complete paper of course, but even considered as only an intended preface to a book on the logic of mathematics, it is seems puzzlingly incomplete, at the least. Why does he start off with the theory

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Jean-Marc says: Of course, not to restart an old debate... I am curious about how the following lines are going to be interpreted: "We have a direct knowledge of real objects in every experiential reaction, whether of /Perception/ or of /Exertion/ (the one theoretical, the other practical). These

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim,  list, I've moved my comments from the Research & Learning vs Teaching to this thread since most of the text I've quoted below is from the New Elements. Responding to a Peirce snippet I copied, viz. In order to convince ourselves that all learning is virtually reasoning, we have only to r

[peirce-l] RE: introduction

2006-01-22 Thread Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen
Hello all, As I enlisted here some week ago or so and also made some posting today, I will now also give some short introduction about myself. So, I am Dutch. 32 years old. Have followed some long education, mainly in management. Specialism first in logistics, bachelor level. Then I entered unive

[peirce-l] Re: introduction

2006-01-22 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, Welcome to the list. The New Elements discussion has barely begun so don't worry too much about having interrupted it. I too am looking forward to it getting under way since, like you and apparently several others, I too find the Kaina Stoicheia piece profound. I enjoyed looking at your

[peirce-l] introduction

2006-01-22 Thread gnusystems
I don't want to interrupt the discussion of New Elements here, but as a new subscriber i understand it's good form to introduce myself to the forum. I'll confine myself to a brief description of the path that brought me here. I've had a lifelong but non-specialist interest in mind, cognition, lang

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Joseph Ransdell wrote: I finally got a transcription of the New Elements manuscript of 1904 up at Arisbe. I thought we might try figuring out what is going on there. If you have a copy of Volume 2 of the Essential Peirce you already have a copy of it, but it is helpful to have it in digitize

[peirce-l] Re: Research & Learning vs Teaching (was Peircean Prayer)

2006-01-22 Thread Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen
Actually, we are the engine of interpretation. Without us interpretation does not exist. Because, interpretation is only possible through thoughts. Peirce himself is telling something about conceptions, f.i. with the following statement: "consider what effects, which might conceivably have practic