[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I was intending to warn Ben against adopting a bullying tone toward you, as his frustration seemed to be mounting. Perhaps a mistake on my part but a response in part to your own complaints about his tone, which you were construing as an attempt to silence you. Also I had been about to answer

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Joseph Ransdell wrote: I was intending to warn Ben against adopting a bullying tone toward you, as his frustration seemed to be mounting. Perhaps a mistake on my part but a response in part to your own complaints about his tone, which you were construing as an attempt to silence you. Also I

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
before answering, I'd like to comment on an obvious confusion (see below) Benjamin Udell wrote: [...] -- are defined by reference to the Sign, the Object, and the Interpretant, respectively. The Sign is the First, the Object is the Second, and the Interpretant is the Third. In CP227-229, whi

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jean-Marc, list > It is unfortunate that Peirce used the terms 'First', 'Second' and 'Third' in > the place of ordinals when he used the same vocabulary for the categories. > In the texts that you chose the terms do not refer to categories, they simply > refer to 3 things presented in a given or

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Benjamin Udell wrote: Jean-Marc, list It is unfortunate that Peirce used the terms 'First', 'Second' and 'Third' in the place of ordinals when he used the same vocabulary for the categories. In the texts that you chose the terms do not refer to categories, they simply refer to 3 things pres

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Frances Kelly
Frances to Ben and others... In the decadic table or model, the ten classes of signs seem to deal with immediate objects, and dynamic objects, and sparse selections of immediate and dynamic and final interpretants. The decagon does not seem to deal with immediate representamens whatsoever, except

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Ben, Jean-Marc, list-- For what its worth, it also struck me that Peirce's use of the terms "first", "second" and "third" in the context cited by Jean-Marc is as Jean-Marc suggests merely a way of indicating the three elements involved when (A) Something --a sign, (B) stands for Somet

[peirce-l] The logic of disagreement

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Folks, Seems I've read somewhere that the rules of logic are in some way truth preserving. I suppose this mean that these rules allow us to follow the various ways true statements can be combined to form additional true statements. Which for me makes logic very close to a form of truth

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Benjamin Udell
Aw Jim, you're a trouble maker! >> 66~~ >> *A _Sign_, or _Representamen_, is a First which stands in such genuine >> triadic relation to a Second, called its _Object_, as to be capable of >> detemining a Third, called its _Interpretant, to assume the same triadic >> relation to its Obje

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I agree, Ben. Peirce used capitalization to mark his use of a term as a technical one, a term of art. It is a common practice of his and I am certain that there is at least one place where he states this explicitly. Ill try to track down a verifying passage but it may be difficult to find. Jo

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben,  list, It seems to me that you are quite right about the "distinctly un-English" use of the ordinals 'First', 'Second' and 'Third' by Peirce in the passages being considered. Capitalization is used for 'terms defined' as he writes, for example, at the beginning of the NA and elsewhere

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Here is a verifying passage:, from the neglected Argument paper Peirce: CP 6.452 The word "God," so "capitalized" (as we Americans say), is the definable proper name, signifying Ens necessarium; in my belief Really creator of all three Universes of Experience. Some words shall herein b

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary, Joe, list, Thank you but -- of course! -- I've run into a problem that has bothered far better scholars than me. Peirce: CP 2.238 238. Triadic relations are in three ways divisible by trichotomy, according as the First, the Second, or the Third Correlate, respectively, is a mere possibil