[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, Gary, Jim, list,   Well, your response certainly poses a challenge, Joe. I'll try. Then I must go and, well, eat.   From your transcription from Letter to Lady Welby Dec 23, 1908 (in _Semiotics and Significs: Correspondence Between Charles S. Peirce and Victoria Lady Welby_, ed. Charles

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Joe, Jim, list, Ben, not having gotten your argument for a putative necessary fourth semeiotic element earlier--and I've certainly tried--your most recent comments have also not helped me get any closer to what you apparently find near-obvious, or at least "simple." You write: [BU] It

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben:   JR:  I must say that I think you are missing my point because of some mistaken assumption that I can't identify.  The reason I gave the simple example of a common sense verification was to make as clear as I could that there is no deep logical point involved.  Consider again my simple

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, Gary, Jim, list,   I forgot that I had wanted to make a remark on the Pragmatic Maxim in the present connection.   >[Joe] I forgot to say something about the supposed problem of distinguishing sense from nonsense.  That's what the pragmatic maxim is all about, isn't it?   The Pragma

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary, Joe, Jim, list, (continued, 3rd part)   >[Gary] Again, you maintain that the "logically determinational role" of "such recognition" cannot be denied and yet I can't even find it! For me it is less a matter of its being denied than my not even missing it (clearly you've fixed your own id

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, Gary, Jim, list,   >[Joe] Ben Says:   >>[Ben] I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidden opinion on the question. Tom Short argued that th

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben:   I forgot to say something about the supposed problem of distinguishing sense from nonsense.  That's what the pragmatic maxim is all about, isn't it?  Tom' Short's take on this has to do with Peirce's supposed failure to realize that his view of infinite interpretability entailed an in

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben Says:   I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidden opinion on the question. Tom Short argued that there is a problem with answering how it

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Jim Piat
Ben Udell wrote:   >>Anyway, my semiotic four are, instead, object, sign, interpretant, recognizant.   I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidd